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Tropic Marin Reef Actif
This is not intended to be an advertisment nor I'm in any way related to Tropic Marin. This thread is created to be a reference for all Reef Actif users abroad. There's a huge thread on a (german forum) (hope it's not a RC TOC violation to provide this link) where many people share their experiences with this product, but there's not a big thread in english.
For those who do not know the product, Tropic Marin's description is as follows: Quote:
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I'd like this thread to be a compendium of experiences and questions about this product. Hope it helps.
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08/11/2017, 07:38 AM | #2 |
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I haven't started using it yet but have it in my cupboard. I will start trying it out eventually..
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Interesting... did you get the cons?
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08/11/2017, 01:23 PM | #4 |
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I have been using this product since 25th May 2017 to complement my main nutrient export tool, Tropic Marin NP-Bacto-Balance.
I started to dose it because I was curious to find out its impact on my reef (positive or negative). I like experimenting. This is what keeps me going in this hobby. I am good at record keeping for future reference and to benefit wider community. You can find my diary on TM Reef Actif diary on my Facebook page. Please feel free to post your comments or questions to my Facebook note or alternatively to my tank thread. I will do my best to share my opinion with you. I will also chip in any discussions in this thread. Cheers Bülent
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2 questions as my very interested :-
1. Can this be used with other branded bacteria like Zeobak and Aquaforest Pro Bio S? 2. How do we dose in smaller tanks like 100 gallon or so (below 400 liters)? Regards, Abhishek |
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For smaller tanks (like mine which is 90g) you can dose 1/2 or 1/4 as the spoon has the marks for it.
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08/12/2017, 03:39 AM | #7 |
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Thanks Bülent.
I'll give it a chance and going to read more about it. At first it seems one more carbon source... Thanks for the info. |
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08/12/2017, 04:30 AM | #9 |
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So I should stop NOPOX dosing while using it?
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If it were my reef, I would discontinue dosing of carbon source for a couple of days post water change, would not want to encourage a cyano bloom...
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08/12/2017, 10:22 AM | #11 |
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I cannot give you a definite yes or no answer as it depends on your present PO4 readings, which in my opinion much more crucial to corals' health than nitrates. You do not want to lower PO4 to very low levels as it will shock your corals. If measurable phosphates are below 0.0246 mg/L, I would probably consider quitting NOPOX. If, on the other hand, it is higher than this value, then I would continue with caution and observe corals daily (colouration and polyp extension).
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Maybe I'm mixing up my measures..
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08/12/2017, 03:00 PM | #14 |
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I am interested in this product. Please keep the information coming.
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I am about to dose my first dose. It will be one level spoonful. My water system is now than double the recommended dose for a spoonful so I'm starting slow.
I am dosing bio digest too. And vinegar. Nitrates at 5 and p04s at . 06
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What's the rational for using both reef actif and vinegar?
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I am stuck at 5 nitrate. I have increased vinegar dosing and that did not lower then so I'm trying a different carbon source. I just don't get it. I also ordered and received a swabbie to try and increase my skimmers productivity. I have since dosing bio digest had a big up swing in skimmate production. Triple my normal amount with out the lowering of nitrate.
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I have a different interpretation of what Reef Actif is. I do not think that it is a carbon source similar to Nopox or vinegar. Tropic Marin actually has several other carbon source products including NP Bacto Balance, Elimi-NP and NP Bacto Pellets. On the Tropic Marin website, those 3 products are listed in the "Nutrient Control" category, while Reef Actif is listed in the "Minerals" category.
The description of the product states that they are "marine biopolymers", but while most/all carbon sources are polymers of some sort (some even being biopolymers), not all biopolymers are carbon sources. The stated benefit of this product is to promote water stability by binding excess nutrients and pollutants in the water and aiding in their decomposition. The microorganisms that perform such decomposition (which includes bacteria) is supposed to create a better overall environment for our tank inhabitants. I see this product as being similar to the Reef Vitality product from Fauna Marin. |
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So, reef actif is the next step. Ok. Quote:
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There may, however, be a difference between biopolymers and carbon contained in Bacto-balance and possibly vinegar, vodka and sugars. Different carbon sources must feed different types of bacteria. I am currently studying this. To quote Hans-Werner again " ... specialized marine bacteria, but they live in symbiosis with sponges, corals, mussels, tubular worms and most other filtering marine animals. This usually means that the filterers harbor these symbiontic bacteria and feed them food" What I do not know is whether or not this type of bacteria are different from facultative heterotrophic bacteria that live on surfaces and also possibly in the water column. This is what I am studying. Once I know the answer I will be able to answer the question BigE posed in my tank thread. That is "I'm not sure I see what it [Reef Actif] offers that Bacto balance doesn't? Bacto balance contains a carbon source, correct?"
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Biopolymers are organic polymers which means they are, by definition, carbon compounds. What I meant to say is that my view is that Reef Actif is not a carbon source in the traditional reefing use of the term, not that it does not contain carbon in its makeup. Sorry I wasn't more clear.
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Yup that's exactly my thought. Hope you get a response from Herr Balling. Frankly this is one of the components of the system that truly puzzles me, like Reef Vitality did when I used to use the Fauna Marin system. Their descriptions are very similar though
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This Reef Actif it's getting more interesting... thanks you all.
waiting for more information... |
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It seems as if I am having a bit of cyanobacteria bloom. I don't know if it is in direct correlation with the dosing of reef actif or not.
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