Who else has A. thiellei???

WDLV · 05/02/2010, 06:10 PM

I've been searching for pictures of, information about and people who own A. thiellei for over a year now and have only definitively found four people who have them. This notion sounds silly to me because I just can't imagine that these are all there are.
I've read on the 'Clownfish you can't buy and why' thread that there is at least one Japanese supplier who gets them in regularly. Yet I have not managed to find any pictures from Asia much less Japan in particular that were not "borrowed" from one of the four people I know to have them from over here. The only other fellow I can find info on having had a pair was a fellow from Portugal who lost his in a system crash.

To date I know that I have a pair, Mike Thielle has a pair and two other US hobbyists have individuals.

My suppliers and those with whom I have spoken who own them have claimed that they are coming out of Cebu Philippines. So, one could deduce that this is the major port from which they are shipped and that they probably are caught in or near the Philippines; which is consistant with the information given to Dr. Burgess when he made the original description (based on preserved specimens donated by Mike Thielle.)

Dr. Fautin said that they are have been found in other areas more recently.

Anyhow I digress. Who else has them??? Please provide photos. Dive photos are welcome too.

clowns101 · 05/02/2010, 07:36 PM

I myself dont have these fish,have been on the look out and have contacted a few people(even Mike)on how about getting these fish.

At this point I really dont think there is very many in the U.S.I think there would have been more,but since most of these animals come in DOA or Die shortly after arrival,there are only few that have them.

One thing with this sp. is that it could be a hybrid.If it is a hybrid I see no reason why it couldnt reproduce in captivity with the proper combonation of clownfish sp.(if its a hybrid)Some say this sp. is a hybrid,a sp. alone not a hybrid,and even that it is a mroph of Amphiprion leucokranos .

Other than the 4 people that have them that you know of I doubt theres more than 1 or 2 other whom have this sp. of clownfish.

If there are facilities in Japan and in the Philippines that get these fish often,they must know the value of these fish or they have such poor husbandry that these fish have no chances(which is understandable).

I may be WAY out of the ball feild but thats my opinion and my experince with trying to obtain these fish.

WDLV · 05/03/2010, 06:05 AM

Yeah, I've beaten the hybrid conversation to death in other threads. I'm just putting out what is probably a futile attempt to pull some other keepers out of the woodwork. Or maybe a few tattle tales for the shy ones who won't come out of the closet. I think that new fellow on RCF did not include them on the list of those he didn't have.
We'll see....

One thing I will say on the topic of them being hybrids is that Dr. Fautin said thielleis were being seen in an area that I know is not uncommon to see leucokranos. For that reason I have to question whether they are being seen there at all because Drs. Fautin and Allen are of the belief that they are the same fish. So, one must question if sightings are being counted as "A. thiellei" or if they're being counted under a leucokranos/thiellei designation. That's why I request pictures when someone (anyone) says that they have one. If 20 leucokranos/thiellei designees turn up on a checksheet from a particular island chain, it's not the same as having 4 thielleis and 16 leucokranos on a check sheet.

I hope that nobody interprets the above as meaning that I do not respect Drs Fautin and Allen. I have the utmost respect for them and their contributions. I simply think they are a different hybrid cross.

MarinaP · 05/03/2010, 07:14 AM

Seems that the main difference between the 2 is body shape (thielle is more like perc/oc and leuks is more like chrys).

Here is a 5-month old leuk baby

WDLV · 05/03/2010, 09:10 AM

Yes that's one of the three things I think differs.

1. Body plan.
2. Body coloration (more orange -vs- yellow or brown.)
3. Markings are brighter and more well defined in A. thiellei (particularly on the rear half of the body.)

When i compare this....

To this....

I don't think they even look close. If leucokranos looks like anything, I think it's A. nigripes. My leucs are presenting a bit of black in their ventral and anal fins these days. The above picture was taken the day I got my female leuc about 3-4 years ago. I think the blackening of the belly fins is a maturity issue.

Just for comparison. Here's A. nigripes. (not to say I think they have anything to do with the above mentioned hybrids.)

clowns101 · 05/03/2010, 03:01 PM

I agree with every thing said Walt.The only real thing the 2 fish have in common is probobly the Barring Pattern.The Leuc's however have mush less coloration on the Dorsal fish area,where as Theillie has a destinc patter on the Dorsal fish area/region.I think the 2 fish look nothing alike and dont know exactly how they could be the same fish as some have stated in their theroys.

So anyways I hope you can find more people with them.If I remember right,a guy on RCF,picked up what looked like a Theillie with Leuc's coloration but with the body shape of Theillie and also a barring patter similern to Theillie also.

So many qustions and so many un-answerd ones too.

isseym328 · 05/03/2010, 03:21 PM

If anyone has an extra Theillei please pm me.

My single female is very lonely.

WDLV · 05/03/2010, 04:03 PM

Got pics? I would pair it with A. sandaracinos until you find another.

isseym328 · 05/03/2010, 04:16 PM

I can take a pic of it easier now that it's hosting in my frbta. I'll attempt tonight.

I had a pair. One of them jumped out unfortunately. So I'm hesitant to pair it up with anything else other than another Thiellei. I'm ok with waiting until I find the perfect mate for her.

WDLV · 05/03/2010, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clowns101

I agree with every thing said Walt.The only real thing the 2 fish have in common is probobly the Barring Pattern.The Leuc's however have mush less coloration on the Dorsal fish area,where as Theillie has a destinc patter on the Dorsal fish area/region.I think the 2 fish look nothing alike and dont know exactly how they could be the same fish as some have stated in their theroys.

So anyways I hope you can find more people with them.If I remember right,a guy on RCF,picked up what looked like a Theillie with Leuc's coloration but with the body shape of Theillie and also a barring patter similern to Theillie also.

So many qustions and so many un-answerd ones too.

The two people I know to have individuals are members of RCF. One is named "thiellei" and the other is "Amphibious." Thiellei sold his to Kris. i haven't heard from either of those members in a long time.

Schlect13 had or has a nice leucokranos that was very yellow.

Amphibious had a couple pics of his thiellei that had brown coloration but that was just a color mis-representation caused by lighting or something. It's actually orange like mine.

WDLV · 05/03/2010, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isseym328

I can take a pic of it easier now that it's hosting in my frbta. I'll attempt tonight.

I had a pair. One of them jumped out unfortunately. So I'm hesitant to pair it up with anything else other than another Thiellei. I'm ok with waiting until I find the perfect mate for her.

Holy crap that really sucks.

isseym328 · 05/03/2010, 04:39 PM

Sure was Walt! I think it jumped because it was chasing a Leuc during the night, so it was sort of an accident he was not trying to jump out.

Both of my Thiellei I was fortunate enough to pick them up from different LFS. The one that jumped was sold to me as a skunk clown. I got real lucky.

Should've bought the one you got from BZA.

clowns101 · 05/03/2010, 05:29 PM

Blue Zoo Aquatics had a Theillie?Did I read that wrong?

WDLV · 05/03/2010, 05:52 PM

Nope. My second one came from BZA.

thebkramer · 05/03/2010, 07:21 PM

Is there a difference between the thiellei and the leucokranos? I will do some more of my own research, just wanted to ask.
Here is a link, they sometimes mislabel their critters:
http://www.qualitymarine.com/Product...Wild/Clownfish

Edit: Just found your post with rareclownfish..

WDLV · 05/03/2010, 08:12 PM

Here's the whole thing. http://www.clowntank.com/About_Us.html

The RCF and RC versions are a good read because they have pics and others' opinions that you won't find in the article but the article has a little more info in a more condensed format. I tend to think out loud more on forums.

isseym328 · 05/03/2010, 11:14 PM

WDLV · 05/04/2010, 07:13 AM

Nice looking thiellei! I'd like to see more of these if you don't mind. If you have a pic from when you had your pair that would be great too.

fin_wing · 05/04/2010, 07:46 AM

I'm live in Taiwan. I purchased my A. thiellei in our lfs ,and they said it was from Java,Indonesia.

WDLV · 05/04/2010, 07:59 AM

Now that is an odd one. There is no white marking at the caudal peduncle. Do you think you might be able to get some clearer shots? Thank you very much for posting the location of origin.

fin_wing · 05/04/2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDLV

Now that is an odd one. There is no white marking at the caudal peduncle. Do you think you might be able to get some clearer shots? Thank you very much for posting the location of origin.

How about the two pics. She is really a shy girl and difficult to photo a lateral pic.

WDLV · 05/04/2010, 02:13 PM

Those are great shots. Given what I'm seeing I have to wonder if there's some A. perideraion in the blood line. I had spoken with a company that was conducting genetic tests (forgot the name) and they said that they have had a heck of a hard time nailing down the genetic markers for skunk clowns because there is a lot of inter-breeding with them that goes beyond what you see with leucokranos and thiellei.

That really is a one of a kind fish. Thanks for sharing!!!

BTW, is that a S. mertensii carpet???

hyperboy · 05/05/2010, 12:40 PM

Here is a pic of one I got from my LFS last week. Came from Solomon Islands.

WDLV · 05/05/2010, 12:43 PM

That's A. leucokranos... and a pretty one at that.

isseym328 · 05/05/2010, 12:44 PM

Looks like a Leuc to me.

05/02/2010, 06:10 PM	#1
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Who else has A. thiellei??? I've been searching for pictures of, information about and people who own A. thiellei for over a year now and have only definitively found four people who have them. This notion sounds silly to me because I just can't imagine that these are all there are. I've read on the 'Clownfish you can't buy and why' thread that there is at least one Japanese supplier who gets them in regularly. Yet I have not managed to find any pictures from Asia much less Japan in particular that were not "borrowed" from one of the four people I know to have them from over here. The only other fellow I can find info on having had a pair was a fellow from Portugal who lost his in a system crash. To date I know that I have a pair, Mike Thielle has a pair and two other US hobbyists have individuals. My suppliers and those with whom I have spoken who own them have claimed that they are coming out of Cebu Philippines. So, one could deduce that this is the major port from which they are shipped and that they probably are caught in or near the Philippines; which is consistant with the information given to Dr. Burgess when he made the original description (based on preserved specimens donated by Mike Thielle.) Dr. Fautin said that they are have been found in other areas more recently. Anyhow I digress. Who else has them??? Please provide photos. Dive photos are welcome too. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife Last edited by WDLV; 05/02/2010 at 06:23 PM.

05/02/2010, 07:36 PM	#2
clowns101 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,041	I myself dont have these fish,have been on the look out and have contacted a few people(even Mike)on how about getting these fish. At this point I really dont think there is very many in the U.S.I think there would have been more,but since most of these animals come in DOA or Die shortly after arrival,there are only few that have them. One thing with this sp. is that it could be a hybrid.If it is a hybrid I see no reason why it couldnt reproduce in captivity with the proper combonation of clownfish sp.(if its a hybrid)Some say this sp. is a hybrid,a sp. alone not a hybrid,and even that it is a mroph of Amphiprion leucokranos . Other than the 4 people that have them that you know of I doubt theres more than 1 or 2 other whom have this sp. of clownfish. If there are facilities in Japan and in the Philippines that get these fish often,they must know the value of these fish or they have such poor husbandry that these fish have no chances(which is understandable). I may be WAY out of the ball feild but thats my opinion and my experince with trying to obtain these fish. __________________ Thanks, Austin clowns.101@hotmail.com Current Tank Info: 125 mixed reef system

05/03/2010, 06:05 AM	#3
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Yeah, I've beaten the hybrid conversation to death in other threads. I'm just putting out what is probably a futile attempt to pull some other keepers out of the woodwork. Or maybe a few tattle tales for the shy ones who won't come out of the closet. I think that new fellow on RCF did not include them on the list of those he didn't have. We'll see.... One thing I will say on the topic of them being hybrids is that Dr. Fautin said thielleis were being seen in an area that I know is not uncommon to see leucokranos. For that reason I have to question whether they are being seen there at all because Drs. Fautin and Allen are of the belief that they are the same fish. So, one must question if sightings are being counted as "A. thiellei" or if they're being counted under a leucokranos/thiellei designation. That's why I request pictures when someone (anyone) says that they have one. If 20 leucokranos/thiellei designees turn up on a checksheet from a particular island chain, it's not the same as having 4 thielleis and 16 leucokranos on a check sheet. I hope that nobody interprets the above as meaning that I do not respect Drs Fautin and Allen. I have the utmost respect for them and their contributions. I simply think they are a different hybrid cross. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/03/2010, 07:14 AM	#4
MarinaP Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 3,489	Seems that the main difference between the 2 is body shape (thielle is more like perc/oc and leuks is more like chrys). Here is a 5-month old leuk baby __________________ Marina

05/03/2010, 09:10 AM	#5
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Yes that's one of the three things I think differs. 1. Body plan. 2. Body coloration (more orange -vs- yellow or brown.) 3. Markings are brighter and more well defined in A. thiellei (particularly on the rear half of the body.) When i compare this.... To this.... I don't think they even look close. If leucokranos looks like anything, I think it's A. nigripes. My leucs are presenting a bit of black in their ventral and anal fins these days. The above picture was taken the day I got my female leuc about 3-4 years ago. I think the blackening of the belly fins is a maturity issue. Just for comparison. Here's A. nigripes. (not to say I think they have anything to do with the above mentioned hybrids.) __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife Last edited by WDLV; 05/03/2010 at 09:36 AM.

05/03/2010, 03:01 PM	#6
clowns101 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,041	I agree with every thing said Walt.The only real thing the 2 fish have in common is probobly the Barring Pattern.The Leuc's however have mush less coloration on the Dorsal fish area,where as Theillie has a destinc patter on the Dorsal fish area/region.I think the 2 fish look nothing alike and dont know exactly how they could be the same fish as some have stated in their theroys. So anyways I hope you can find more people with them.If I remember right,a guy on RCF,picked up what looked like a Theillie with Leuc's coloration but with the body shape of Theillie and also a barring patter similern to Theillie also. So many qustions and so many un-answerd ones too. __________________ Thanks, Austin clowns.101@hotmail.com Current Tank Info: 125 mixed reef system

05/03/2010, 03:21 PM	#7
isseym328 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 3,544	If anyone has an extra Theillei please pm me. My single female is very lonely. __________________ Go Bears! Current Tank Info: 270 gallon starphire

05/03/2010, 04:03 PM	#8
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Got pics? I would pair it with A. sandaracinos until you find another. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/03/2010, 04:16 PM	#9
isseym328 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 3,544	I can take a pic of it easier now that it's hosting in my frbta. I'll attempt tonight. I had a pair. One of them jumped out unfortunately. So I'm hesitant to pair it up with anything else other than another Thiellei. I'm ok with waiting until I find the perfect mate for her. __________________ Go Bears! Current Tank Info: 270 gallon starphire

05/03/2010, 04:39 PM	#12
isseym328 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 3,544	Sure was Walt! I think it jumped because it was chasing a Leuc during the night, so it was sort of an accident he was not trying to jump out. Both of my Thiellei I was fortunate enough to pick them up from different LFS. The one that jumped was sold to me as a skunk clown. I got real lucky. Should've bought the one you got from BZA. __________________ Go Bears! Current Tank Info: 270 gallon starphire

05/03/2010, 05:29 PM	#13
clowns101 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,041	Blue Zoo Aquatics had a Theillie?Did I read that wrong? __________________ Thanks, Austin clowns.101@hotmail.com Current Tank Info: 125 mixed reef system

05/03/2010, 05:52 PM	#14
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Nope. My second one came from BZA. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/03/2010, 07:21 PM	#15
thebkramer Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 3,198	Is there a difference between the thiellei and the leucokranos? I will do some more of my own research, just wanted to ask. Here is a link, they sometimes mislabel their critters: http://www.qualitymarine.com/Product...Wild/Clownfish Edit: Just found your post with rareclownfish.. __________________ Rhonda There is NO such things as Dumb Questions!! There are However.. Dumb Answers!!! ;) ____________ Current Tank Info: 55g reef....Current Orbit SunPaq Lights, HOB Eshopps, HOB AquaClear 110, 2-1400 Koralia Powerheads & 1 Nano Koralia, 40+ lbs LR, 2" LS

05/03/2010, 08:12 PM	#16
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Here's the whole thing. http://www.clowntank.com/About_Us.html The RCF and RC versions are a good read because they have pics and others' opinions that you won't find in the article but the article has a little more info in a more condensed format. I tend to think out loud more on forums. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/03/2010, 11:14 PM	#17
isseym328 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 3,544	__________________ Go Bears! Current Tank Info: 270 gallon starphire

05/04/2010, 07:13 AM	#18
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Nice looking thiellei! I'd like to see more of these if you don't mind. If you have a pic from when you had your pair that would be great too. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/04/2010, 07:46 AM	#19
fin_wing Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 59	I'm live in Taiwan. I purchased my A. thiellei in our lfs ,and they said it was from Java,Indonesia.

05/04/2010, 07:59 AM	#20
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Now that is an odd one. There is no white marking at the caudal peduncle. Do you think you might be able to get some clearer shots? Thank you very much for posting the location of origin. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/04/2010, 02:13 PM	#22
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	Those are great shots. Given what I'm seeing I have to wonder if there's some A. perideraion in the blood line. I had spoken with a company that was conducting genetic tests (forgot the name) and they said that they have had a heck of a hard time nailing down the genetic markers for skunk clowns because there is a lot of inter-breeding with them that goes beyond what you see with leucokranos and thiellei. That really is a one of a kind fish. Thanks for sharing!!! BTW, is that a S. mertensii carpet??? __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/05/2010, 12:40 PM	#23
hyperboy Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dade City, Florida Posts: 781	Here is a pic of one I got from my LFS last week. Came from Solomon Islands. __________________ Jonathan Foster FishEye Aquaculture

05/05/2010, 12:43 PM	#24
WDLV Skunk Hybrid Freak Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD. USA Posts: 3,003	That's A. leucokranos... and a pretty one at that. __________________ - Walter D. LaRoque V "The tanks go or I go." - Ex Wife

05/05/2010, 12:44 PM	#25
isseym328 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 3,544	Looks like a Leuc to me. __________________ Go Bears! Current Tank Info: 270 gallon starphire

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