Crazy or possible?

jbsengineer · 11/02/2017, 04:16 PM

I'm a beginner. I have a Reefer 750 XXL on my first floor and still need to cure the rock, plumb it, etc. I'm thinking about putting the sump in my basement mainly because I could go with a bigger sump and use it for a frag tank as well (also keep noise down, clean easier, etc). So the head height would be 9-10 feet I'm guessing. However, where I would put the sump would be in a about 21 feet horizontally from where I drop the PVC. So it would conservatively be 10 feet down/up and 21 feet across.

I'm seriously looking into the triton method which would require a 10x turnover of water in the tank/sump per hour. The tank is 160g with 40g sump stock. But I'd pry upgrade that too a 80-100g sump. So a total of 260g system.

Possible? Just need a giant return pump?

Any info would be helpful. Thanks!

Keith@ ATI NA · 11/02/2017, 05:50 PM

That is very do-able. I would recommend looking at the pressure rated Reeflo Pumps. I think having a remote "fish room" is fantastic. Keep your mess, stink, noise away while being able to stand up right while doing maintenance instead of hunched over inside a stand. While considering your dosing needs, check out the ATI Essentials!

mcgyvr · 11/02/2017, 05:56 PM

Sure.. Thats entirely possible..and yes you will need a good pump and might not enjoy the energy bill increase

nikon187 · 11/02/2017, 08:47 PM

10x through your sump? hopefully you have a large skimmer that can handle or most of your water will be returned unskimmed. ( just wont be very efficient at skimming ) a large external pump ( reeflo or blueline ) would be the way to get it done

Keith@ ATI NA · 11/03/2017, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mcgyvr

Sure.. Thats entirely possible..and yes you will need a good pump and might not enjoy the energy bill increase

The Swordtail is only 150w, which is only 30 more than a Vectra. However like you said if he wants 5000gph he is going to be up 600w more.

I am with the other post, no reason to do 10x through your sump. 10x through your tank is a better target (as a soft coral only minimum IMO).

Cheapreef · 11/03/2017, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbsengineer

I'm seriously looking into the triton method which would require a 10x turnover of water in the tank/sump per hour. The tank is 160g with 40g sump stock. But I'd pry upgrade that too a 80-100g sump. So a total of 260g system.

Possible? Just need a giant return pump?
!

You actually only need 1600 GPH ish according to there diagram, it's main tank volume turn over you'd want.

jbsengineer · 11/04/2017, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheapreef

You actually only need 1600 GPH ish according to there diagram, it's main tank volume turn over you'd want.

Hm, the website says 10x system volume. What would be considered "system volume"? (the sump+dt or just dt?)

"The return pump capacity should be around 10 x the system volume."

https://www.triton.de/en/products-se...triton-method/

rgulrich · 11/05/2017, 06:04 AM

While I can't speak to the Triton method, my RubberMaid 150 Galllon sump is in the basement and a room over from my 300. I ran about 20 feet of 2" Flex pvc to and from (punched holes in the floor) for filtration. Also installed some floor jacks/with 2 X 8s for additional weight support after having hired a structural engineer come through and provide recommendations.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Ray

mcgyvr · 11/05/2017, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbsengineer

Hm, the website says 10x system volume. What would be considered "system volume"? (the sump+dt or just dt?)

"The return pump capacity should be around 10 x the system volume."

Its 10x your main tanks (dt) volume. (sump is not included in the calculation..dt only)

Cheapreef · 11/05/2017, 01:02 PM

Yes this ^^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbsengineer

Hm, the website says 10x system volume. What would be considered "system volume"? (the sump+dt or just dt?)

"The return pump capacity should be around 10 x the system volume."

It would be 10X the dispaly tank volume.

jbsengineer · 12/11/2017, 01:25 PM

Should I be concerned about the 1" drain diameter? Upon reading many docs it sounds like since the Reefer is a herbie overflow that the full siphon should allow me to meet 1600gph with a 10 foot drop easily.

11/02/2017, 04:16 PM	#1
jbsengineer Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 30	Crazy or possible? I'm a beginner. I have a Reefer 750 XXL on my first floor and still need to cure the rock, plumb it, etc. I'm thinking about putting the sump in my basement mainly because I could go with a bigger sump and use it for a frag tank as well (also keep noise down, clean easier, etc). So the head height would be 9-10 feet I'm guessing. However, where I would put the sump would be in a about 21 feet horizontally from where I drop the PVC. So it would conservatively be 10 feet down/up and 21 feet across. I'm seriously looking into the triton method which would require a 10x turnover of water in the tank/sump per hour. The tank is 160g with 40g sump stock. But I'd pry upgrade that too a 80-100g sump. So a total of 260g system. Possible? Just need a giant return pump? Any info would be helpful. Thanks!

11/02/2017, 05:50 PM	#2
Keith@ ATI NA Registered Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 203	That is very do-able. I would recommend looking at the pressure rated Reeflo Pumps. I think having a remote "fish room" is fantastic. Keep your mess, stink, noise away while being able to stand up right while doing maintenance instead of hunched over inside a stand. While considering your dosing needs, check out the ATI Essentials! __________________ Keith - ATI North America For more information about our reefkeeping products, subscribe to our YouTube channel! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB2sfgtUkmvey-sNjP65TKw Current Tank Info: 175g mixed powered by an ATI LED Powermodule

11/02/2017, 05:56 PM	#3
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Sure.. Thats entirely possible..and yes you will need a good pump and might not enjoy the energy bill increase __________________ Who me?

11/02/2017, 08:47 PM	#4
nikon187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 4,717	10x through your sump? hopefully you have a large skimmer that can handle or most of your water will be returned unskimmed. ( just wont be very efficient at skimming ) a large external pump ( reeflo or blueline ) would be the way to get it done __________________ ----------------- Current Tanks: New 210 custom 84 x 24 x 24, 60g sump, SWC 250 extreme with bubble blaster 5000, 2 vortech mp40, 2 vortech mp10, 12 T5, Water blaster 5000, warner marine bio pellets, 60g clownfish cube, red carpet anemone with a 25g sump,SRO octopus 1000sss, 250w radium, lumenarc large.

11/05/2017, 06:04 AM	#8
rgulrich greybeard Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: MD Posts: 893	While I can't speak to the Triton method, my RubberMaid 150 Galllon sump is in the basement and a room over from my 300. I ran about 20 feet of 2" Flex pvc to and from (punched holes in the floor) for filtration. Also installed some floor jacks/with 2 X 8s for additional weight support after having hired a structural engineer come through and provide recommendations. Hope this helps. Cheers, Ray __________________ The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: 360 degree walk around 300 DD island–4 300W & 2 165W ViparSpectra, 4 Kessil A350W, 2 A360WE, 3 XF150, 1 XF250, 1 XF350 Gyre along with 2 PP40 and 2 IceCap 3K gyre for robust current. Basement 150 gallon RubberMaid sump, SKIMZ skimmer, DCP18000

12/11/2017, 01:25 PM	#11
jbsengineer Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 30	Should I be concerned about the 1" drain diameter? Upon reading many docs it sounds like since the Reefer is a herbie overflow that the full siphon should allow me to meet 1600gph with a 10 foot drop easily.