The Frogfish Files - Page 30

reefscape15 · 11/15/2009, 08:13 AM

I don't know how many people read this thread, but does anyone know how long they are expected to live? Just wondering

E.intheC · 11/15/2009, 08:20 AM

those are some great pics, reefscape. I like the second especially. At first I thought something was wrong with his eye, but turns out it's the lure, haha.

reefscape15 · 11/15/2009, 08:23 AM

haha thanks! He's a pretty interesting fish, but I really wish I could set up his own tank.

Jeff · 11/15/2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by reefscape15

Sounds like your fish is doing well. What lights are you running over your tank? My angler was never bothered by the 96watts of T-5, but now doesn't venture too near the tank after I added a 250watt MH.

I am running a 150 watt metal halide.

Jeff · 11/15/2009, 08:35 AM

reefscape15 · 11/15/2009, 08:47 AM

nice fish!

Jeff · 11/15/2009, 10:37 AM

Thanks, the 20K bulb washes out his colors when taking a pic. Here he is under Diver's Den lighting:

reefscape15 · 11/15/2009, 06:35 PM

I'm also running a 20k, and when it's time to switch it out, i'm going with 14k. I thought I wanted the very blue look, but 20k washes out the colors of everything too much. It does make certain stuff pop, but overall i'd rather have something a little more white.

LisaD · 11/15/2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

I don't know how many people read this thread, but does anyone know how long they are expected to live?

I've kept them 3-4 years, I expect they can live longer. Keep temperatures below 80, no competitive tankmates, moderate flow, varied diet...

wrott · 11/15/2009, 07:44 PM

I really like frogfish. I want to keep one eventually. Without having read this entire thread, what are a few of the more painstaking chores involved, the ones besides keeping a reef tank and an anemone tank?
Here's one I saw while diving in HI a couple of weeks ago, it's ~12" long:

From frog

It was hanging out at about 50ft of water, between Molikini and Maui.

reefscape15 · 11/16/2009, 03:37 PM

Being able to keep them in a smaller species tank would be ideal in my opinion. In a reef tank with other fish, it's hard to find tank mates that will help take care of the tank, and not be too large, or to small to be in with the Angler. Feeding can be a little bit of a chore, but I think watching them eat is why most people get an Angler to begin with. They produce a moderate amount of wastes, and do nothing to help keep your tank clean or pest free. Say you have a case of Flatworms, like I do now, it's almost impossible to find a fish that is known for controlling them that would be large enough not to get eaten by an Angler. Also if your tank has an algae problem, like mine also does, it's hard to find fish (in my case-54gal) that are big enough to avoid getting eaten, and small enough to fit in the tank and that help out with algae. Other than that, i've found it to be quite hardy. My tank has been through a somewhat mini-crash, and i've switched tanks and moved the rock around alot, and all the while the Angler seemed fine. I finally have my tank and rock set how I like, so it's become much more stable.

wrott · 11/16/2009, 10:55 PM

Thanks reefscape15, I forgot about those details--flatworms, algae, etc.. It is a good point, but the more I look at them, the cooler they get!
Will they eat snails, and what are some of the smaller fish that you could keep with a 5" angler?
Thanks again.

reefscape15 · 11/17/2009, 03:33 PM

I have never heard of them eating snails, or anything with a shell for that matter, but Jeff has said they could eat them. A 5" Angler will eat just about anything 5" or less. Some fish may be quick enough to avoid being eaten, but the Angler will constantly be watching out to see if it could catch them.

uhuru · 12/10/2009, 11:46 AM

Ok, I have some noob questions:

What is the smallest size invert a wartskin will eat?

I'm thinking of adding a wartskin as the sole fish in my 20g. It is a non-photosynthetic tank that is fed constantly, and again with no fish. Thus I have pods of all size all over the place, in every square centimeter of the tank, coming out of every rock hole, swimming in the water column, etc... this is IMO a very important part of the food supply for my NPS corals.

Is it possible that the wartskin will over eat in my tank? Will it eventually wipe out my zooplankton/pod population?

Also is there a possibility that the angler will steal food like mysis and brine from the polyps of dendrophyllia, tubastrea, rhizotrochus as it is waving around in their mouths?

reefscape15 · 12/10/2009, 10:10 PM

I would be suprised if it would eat anything that small. It really depends on how large the Angler is, but I would be very suprised if it would eat anything smaller than anything under 1/4". I don't think that it would wipe out any kind of population that's small enough for corals to eat. I do think that from how you have described your tank, that it is a very suitable house for an Angler.

billysanborn · 12/11/2009, 02:15 PM

Ive had my frogfish for about 2 months now and he is looking bloated today. he hasnt eaten in a few days at least. anyone have any advice? ill try to get some pics.

thanks!

billysanborn · 12/11/2009, 03:11 PM

well, here is a picture of him...sorry about the bad angle he is up against the glass in his corner he likes. ill try for a better one later today

billysanborn · 12/14/2009, 10:19 PM

Well he didn't make it. I don't know what happened to him.
I'm gonna do an autopsy tomorrow morning to see if anything looks abnormal

Stumped · 12/15/2009, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uhuru

Ok, I have some noob questions:

What is the smallest size invert a wartskin will eat?
Is it possible that the wartskin will over eat in my tank? Will it eventually wipe out my zooplankton/pod population?

I'm not sure on what the minimum size would be, but your zooplankton/pod population should be 100% safe. Mine hasn't touched pods/snails/hermits.

uhuru · 01/03/2010, 01:46 PM

Just got my painted angler on NYE

Yesterday he ate a PE Mysis but didn't want anymore after that. My pod population is not 100% safe, he does go after the big ones. He's seems obsessed with catching them in the sand and rocks.

reefscape15 · 01/03/2010, 02:43 PM

very nice! I love the coloration.

billysanborn - I would immagine that ur fish ingested air at some point. I think this is an occasional problem with them

VacavilleFC3S · 02/12/2010, 12:03 AM

i just received a tiny (1") histrio histrio from ccritters.com he's so cute

Reefcherie · 02/13/2010, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VacavilleFC3S

i just received a tiny (1") histrio histrio from ccritters.com he's so cute

I'm sure he is! What are you feeding him?

DFason · 02/13/2010, 12:36 PM

What is the smallest sized frogfish? Also where is a good site to buy these guys from?

-Dave

reefscape15 · 02/13/2010, 12:54 PM

Not sure on the smallest specimen that you could find, but I think that Wartskin stay the smallest (usually under 3-3.5"). I don't know of a reliable place to pick them up other than a trusting LFS. I've never bought anything but drygoods online, but ordering through Liveaquaria or That Fish Place has always been spot on.

Vacaville - Can you post any pics of your new beauty?

11/15/2009, 08:13 AM	#726
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	I don't know how many people read this thread, but does anyone know how long they are expected to live? Just wondering __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

11/15/2009, 08:20 AM	#727
E.intheC Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 5,373	those are some great pics, reefscape. I like the second especially. At first I thought something was wrong with his eye, but turns out it's the lure, haha. __________________ -Eric

11/15/2009, 08:23 AM	#728
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	haha thanks! He's a pretty interesting fish, but I really wish I could set up his own tank. __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

11/15/2009, 08:35 AM	#730
Jeff Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 11,907	__________________ Always remember.... any time you reef, you also reef with every reefer that reefer has reefed with. Mitch 2/18/10 IWNFT343F Current Tank Info: Innovative Marine 20

11/15/2009, 08:47 AM	#731
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	nice fish! __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

11/15/2009, 10:37 AM	#732
Jeff Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 11,907	Thanks, the 20K bulb washes out his colors when taking a pic. Here he is under Diver's Den lighting: __________________ Always remember.... any time you reef, you also reef with every reefer that reefer has reefed with. Mitch 2/18/10 IWNFT343F Current Tank Info: Innovative Marine 20

11/15/2009, 06:35 PM	#733
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	I'm also running a 20k, and when it's time to switch it out, i'm going with 14k. I thought I wanted the very blue look, but 20k washes out the colors of everything too much. It does make certain stuff pop, but overall i'd rather have something a little more white. __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

11/16/2009, 03:37 PM	#736
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	Being able to keep them in a smaller species tank would be ideal in my opinion. In a reef tank with other fish, it's hard to find tank mates that will help take care of the tank, and not be too large, or to small to be in with the Angler. Feeding can be a little bit of a chore, but I think watching them eat is why most people get an Angler to begin with. They produce a moderate amount of wastes, and do nothing to help keep your tank clean or pest free. Say you have a case of Flatworms, like I do now, it's almost impossible to find a fish that is known for controlling them that would be large enough not to get eaten by an Angler. Also if your tank has an algae problem, like mine also does, it's hard to find fish (in my case-54gal) that are big enough to avoid getting eaten, and small enough to fit in the tank and that help out with algae. Other than that, i've found it to be quite hardy. My tank has been through a somewhat mini-crash, and i've switched tanks and moved the rock around alot, and all the while the Angler seemed fine. I finally have my tank and rock set how I like, so it's become much more stable. __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

11/16/2009, 10:55 PM	#737
wrott Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,912	Thanks reefscape15, I forgot about those details--flatworms, algae, etc.. It is a good point, but the more I look at them, the cooler they get! Will they eat snails, and what are some of the smaller fish that you could keep with a 5" angler? Thanks again.

11/17/2009, 03:33 PM	#738
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	I have never heard of them eating snails, or anything with a shell for that matter, but Jeff has said they could eat them. A 5" Angler will eat just about anything 5" or less. Some fish may be quick enough to avoid being eaten, but the Angler will constantly be watching out to see if it could catch them. __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

12/10/2009, 11:46 AM	#739
uhuru Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbus Posts: 2,949	Ok, I have some noob questions: What is the smallest size invert a wartskin will eat? I'm thinking of adding a wartskin as the sole fish in my 20g. It is a non-photosynthetic tank that is fed constantly, and again with no fish. Thus I have pods of all size all over the place, in every square centimeter of the tank, coming out of every rock hole, swimming in the water column, etc... this is IMO a very important part of the food supply for my NPS corals. Is it possible that the wartskin will over eat in my tank? Will it eventually wipe out my zooplankton/pod population? Also is there a possibility that the angler will steal food like mysis and brine from the polyps of dendrophyllia, tubastrea, rhizotrochus as it is waving around in their mouths?

12/10/2009, 10:10 PM	#740
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	I would be suprised if it would eat anything that small. It really depends on how large the Angler is, but I would be very suprised if it would eat anything smaller than anything under 1/4". I don't think that it would wipe out any kind of population that's small enough for corals to eat. I do think that from how you have described your tank, that it is a very suitable house for an Angler. __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

12/11/2009, 02:15 PM	#741
billysanborn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Saratoga, CA Posts: 127	help!my frogfish looks bloated Ive had my frogfish for about 2 months now and he is looking bloated today. he hasnt eaten in a few days at least. anyone have any advice? ill try to get some pics. thanks!

12/14/2009, 10:19 PM	#743
billysanborn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Saratoga, CA Posts: 127	Well he didn't make it. I don't know what happened to him. I'm gonna do an autopsy tomorrow morning to see if anything looks abnormal

01/03/2010, 01:46 PM	#745
uhuru Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbus Posts: 2,949	Just got my painted angler on NYE Yesterday he ate a PE Mysis but didn't want anymore after that. My pod population is not 100% safe, he does go after the big ones. He's seems obsessed with catching them in the sand and rocks.

01/03/2010, 02:43 PM	#746
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	very nice! I love the coloration. billysanborn - I would immagine that ur fish ingested air at some point. I think this is an occasional problem with them __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H

02/12/2010, 12:03 AM	#747
VacavilleFC3S Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vacaville California Posts: 2,613	i just received a tiny (1") histrio histrio from ccritters.com he's so cute

02/13/2010, 12:36 PM	#749
DFason Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 766	What is the smallest sized frogfish? Also where is a good site to buy these guys from? -Dave __________________ Dave Current Tank Info: 35g Shallow Reef Build/iTech 100/Tunze Osmolator/MP20/Sunpower

02/13/2010, 12:54 PM	#750
reefscape15 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Elmira Heights, NY Posts: 2,812	Not sure on the smallest specimen that you could find, but I think that Wartskin stay the smallest (usually under 3-3.5"). I don't know of a reliable place to pick them up other than a trusting LFS. I've never bought anything but drygoods online, but ordering through Liveaquaria or That Fish Place has always been spot on. Vacaville - Can you post any pics of your new beauty? __________________ A new beginning........... JIM Current Tank Info: 5g standard softie/zoa tank, just starting a 20H