will apex ever stop supporting classics?

Devaji108 · 03/25/2017, 01:49 PM

thinking about pulling the trigger on a classic as it more in my budget (unless you want to offerr me a discount. lol )

one of my main concerns will Neptune ever stop supporting, making replacement parts and models that will work on it?

I dont what to get then all the fun mods then be forced to rebuy in a few years.
thoughts thinking lot term here.

thanks for all the help.

JustinFromAL · 03/25/2017, 03:33 PM

I wouldn't be concerned at all. All the new modules they're making are compatible with the Classic and you can still by the classic directly from Apex today. I think you're good for a LONG time before you have to worry about "end of life" on the Classic.

Breadman03 · 03/25/2017, 04:27 PM

Eventually, sure, but it's probably going to be a while. I would, however, consider how cost effective the Apex 2016 is. I don't remember what I paid for my Classic about 5-6 years ago, but I'd bet that it plus the cost of some of the modules I've bought that are now part of the 2016, would exceed the cost of just buying the 2016 model.

Devaji108 · 03/25/2017, 08:06 PM

^ yeah I have been thinking about that. but I really dont need built in wifi and the other 2 props. I would rather have the FMK.

trust me I have been going back and forth for a few days now.

jonmos75 · 03/25/2017, 08:17 PM

The Apex 2016 has a faster CPU, more memory, can do more in Fusion then you can with the Apex Classic apex (more features).

jason2459 · 03/26/2017, 08:11 PM

Put it this way they are just finally dropping support on their original aquacontrollers that came out over a decade ago.

Edit:
Which there will always be support for really in their community forums
https://forum.neptunesystems.com/for...3-AC3-Pro-ACjr

jason2459 · 03/26/2017, 08:14 PM

lol blast from the past when people were questioning to go Apex of AC3
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1942658

BlueRoofTang · 04/02/2017, 10:02 PM

In the video they did about the new Neptune Apex, they mentioned that they will NOT stop supporting the classic, and have no plans to stop.

ca1ore · 04/02/2017, 10:28 PM

Look, at some point support for everything stops. As the installed base dwindles, there is a business decision that gets made. Is that likely soon, no; but it will happen eventually.

ldc3000 · 04/04/2017, 06:10 PM

I actually found a deal on the classic, but by the time I purchase the salinity and orp probe and corresponding module I would be really close to the price of the Apex 2016.

tygger · 08/12/2017, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldc3000

I actually found a deal on the classic, but by the time I purchase the salinity and orp probe and corresponding module I would be really close to the price of the Apex 2016.

You would need to buy the salinity probe, orp probe, and the salinity module to make it comparable to the 2016, correct? Looks like the orp probe can plug directly into the second ph/orp port on the classic controller.

five.five-six · 08/14/2017, 12:15 PM

Hell, I've sent emails and they still have given me limited support on my ACIII pro as late as a week ago. I think you are GTG

vhuang168 · 08/25/2017, 11:04 PM

Soooooo, the new Trident module that monitors Alk, Ca and Mg will not be supported by the classic!

tygger · 08/26/2017, 12:38 AM

That's disappointing

D-Nak · 08/26/2017, 01:10 PM

If I were you, I'd get the new Apex. If the Trident does what it's expected to do, then it's a game changer, and as Vincent said, that means you need the new Apex. Furthermore, I suspect all new products moving forward will take advantage of the higher horsepower, which means they won't be compatible with the classic Apex. I wish Neptune could make all products compatible with the classic but with reduced functionality, but I guess that's not possible.

jason2459 · 08/26/2017, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vhuang168

Soooooo, the new Trident module that monitors Alk, Ca and Mg will not be supported by the classic!

Wait what?

vhuang168 · 08/26/2017, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

Wait what?

Yup.

Apex Alk, CA and MG monitor at MACNA

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...7&share_type=t

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jason2459 · 08/26/2017, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vhuang168

Yup.

Apex Alk, CA and MG monitor at MACNA

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...7&share_type=t

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's awesome.

Breadman03 · 08/26/2017, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

That's awesome.

However, one must have the Apex 2016. I suppose one can't expect the Classic to do everything.

kurt_n · 08/26/2017, 09:14 PM

There's a difference between Neptune continuing to *support* the Classic versus making new product that can work with the Classic. The Classic can only do so much.

ca1ore · 08/26/2017, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurt_n

There's a difference between Neptune continuing to *support* the Classic versus making new product that can work with the Classic. The Classic can only do so much.

Correct, support is maintenance and repair, new modules are innovation.

five.five-six · 08/29/2017, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurt_n

There's a difference between Neptune continuing to *support* the Classic versus making new product that can work with the Classic. The Classic can only do so much.

Correct, support and backwards compatible are two different, but related, concepts.

gus6464 · 08/29/2017, 04:19 PM

They said at macna this year that all the big products coming out from now on will be 2016 Apex only. The little stuff like FMK and repackaging of the current stuff will work on classic but this is basically the beginning of the end for the classic.

ca1ore · 09/01/2017, 09:08 PM

The classic can still do all of the things today that it could do the day before MACNA. How is that the beginning of the end? The way I always think about tech is to buy based on what something can do TODAY, rather than any vague notions of future compatibility. I'd much rather future innovation not be constrained by legacy equipment limitations.

five.five-six · 09/01/2017, 11:40 PM

I'm using a ACIII pro at the moment with aquasurf. It does everything I want it to and then some.

03/25/2017, 01:49 PM	#1
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	will apex ever stop supporting classics? thinking about pulling the trigger on a classic as it more in my budget (unless you want to offerr me a discount. lol ) one of my main concerns will Neptune ever stop supporting, making replacement parts and models that will work on it? I dont what to get then all the fun mods then be forced to rebuy in a few years. thoughts thinking lot term here. thanks for all the help.

03/26/2017, 08:11 PM	#6
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Put it this way they are just finally dropping support on their original aquacontrollers that came out over a decade ago. Edit: Which there will always be support for really in their community forums https://forum.neptunesystems.com/for...3-AC3-Pro-ACjr __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank Last edited by jason2459; 03/26/2017 at 08:20 PM.

03/26/2017, 08:14 PM	#7
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	lol blast from the past when people were questioning to go Apex of AC3 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1942658 __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/02/2017, 10:28 PM	#9
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Look, at some point support for everything stops. As the installed base dwindles, there is a business decision that gets made. Is that likely soon, no; but it will happen eventually. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

08/14/2017, 12:15 PM	#12
five.five-six Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Corona Posts: 7,827 Blog Entries: 6	Hell, I've sent emails and they still have given me limited support on my ACIII pro as late as a week ago. I think you are GTG __________________ Originally posted by yellowslayer13: "I hate that hole" Current Tank Info: SCMAS Member 225 peninsula euroreef RS180 Apex 400W X 3 20k radiums / Spectra mixed SPS

03/25/2017, 03:33 PM	#2
JustinFromAL Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 253	I wouldn't be concerned at all. All the new modules they're making are compatible with the Classic and you can still by the classic directly from Apex today. I think you're good for a LONG time before you have to worry about "end of life" on the Classic.

03/25/2017, 04:27 PM	#3
Breadman03 New Old School Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Luzerne County, PA Posts: 3,293	Eventually, sure, but it's probably going to be a while. I would, however, consider how cost effective the Apex 2016 is. I don't remember what I paid for my Classic about 5-6 years ago, but I'd bet that it plus the cost of some of the modules I've bought that are now part of the 2016, would exceed the cost of just buying the 2016 model.

03/25/2017, 08:06 PM	#4
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	^ yeah I have been thinking about that. but I really dont need built in wifi and the other 2 props. I would rather have the FMK. trust me I have been going back and forth for a few days now.

03/25/2017, 08:17 PM	#5
jonmos75 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 193	The Apex 2016 has a faster CPU, more memory, can do more in Fusion then you can with the Apex Classic apex (more features).

04/02/2017, 10:02 PM	#8
BlueRoofTang Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 186	In the video they did about the new Neptune Apex, they mentioned that they will NOT stop supporting the classic, and have no plans to stop.

04/04/2017, 06:10 PM	#10
ldc3000 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Greensboro Posts: 37	I actually found a deal on the classic, but by the time I purchase the salinity and orp probe and corresponding module I would be really close to the price of the Apex 2016.

08/25/2017, 11:04 PM	#13
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	Soooooo, the new Trident module that monitors Alk, Ca and Mg will not be supported by the classic! __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

08/26/2017, 12:38 AM	#14
tygger Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,631	That's disappointing __________________ 15g Nano 72g reef + 29g sump/fuge

08/26/2017, 01:10 PM	#15
D-Nak Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 5,797	If I were you, I'd get the new Apex. If the Trident does what it's expected to do, then it's a game changer, and as Vincent said, that means you need the new Apex. Furthermore, I suspect all new products moving forward will take advantage of the higher horsepower, which means they won't be compatible with the classic Apex. I wish Neptune could make all products compatible with the classic but with reduced functionality, but I guess that's not possible. __________________ Tank info: 120 gallon 48x30x20 high DT. Clownfish breeding rack in full swing: C-Quest Onyx, Bali Aquarich P1 Picasso + Rod's Onyx, wild percula + Rod's Onyx.

08/26/2017, 09:14 PM	#20
kurt_n Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: WA Posts: 2,592	There's a difference between Neptune continuing to support the Classic versus making new product that can work with the Classic. The Classic can only do so much.

08/29/2017, 04:19 PM	#23
gus6464 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,079	They said at macna this year that all the big products coming out from now on will be 2016 Apex only. The little stuff like FMK and repackaging of the current stuff will work on classic but this is basically the beginning of the end for the classic.

09/01/2017, 09:08 PM	#24
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	The classic can still do all of the things today that it could do the day before MACNA. How is that the beginning of the end? The way I always think about tech is to buy based on what something can do TODAY, rather than any vague notions of future compatibility. I'd much rather future innovation not be constrained by legacy equipment limitations. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

09/01/2017, 11:40 PM	#25
five.five-six Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Corona Posts: 7,827 Blog Entries: 6	I'm using a ACIII pro at the moment with aquasurf. It does everything I want it to and then some. __________________ Originally posted by yellowslayer13: "I hate that hole" Current Tank Info: SCMAS Member 225 peninsula euroreef RS180 Apex 400W X 3 20k radiums / Spectra mixed SPS