Radion Par Chart Updated 2014 edition

Eastamherstbias · 04/28/2014, 08:41 PM

I have updated my Par chart with the Gen 3 & Gen 3 Pros. I have also started a new component to the chart with Par loss over time since I wanted to see if my LEDS are beginning to lose their "sparkle" over time. Just a reminder I am not a scientific lab and just a hobbyist. I also upgrade to the Innovative Marine SR-120. Nice Tank, minimum complaints.

sanababit · 04/28/2014, 09:33 PM

Very nice tank and great info

Sana

erndog1001 · 04/29/2014, 02:28 AM

Do you have the same lenses on the Gen3's as the Gen 2? Bc I find it interesting that the pars are that much lower on new models vs older.

ahmed_iAM · 04/29/2014, 02:43 AM

Thanks for the info! Very nice tank as well. Love the substrate. Where'd you get it from?

mfinn · 04/29/2014, 08:28 AM

Great information.
Thanks for your work.

Eastamherstbias · 04/29/2014, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ahmed_iAM

Thanks for the info! Very nice tank as well. Love the substrate. Where'd you get it from?

Hawaiian Black from CaribeSea.

I like it. I will say that this version is more uniform in terms of size of the grains. Back in the day it was all over the place with bigger grains. I do notice a couple more brown specks compared to the old version.

Eastamherstbias · 04/29/2014, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by erndog1001

Do you have the same lenses on the Gen3's as the Gen 2? Bc I find it interesting that the pars are that much lower on new models vs older.

The Lens are the same between the Gen 3 & Gen 2's. Yeah I double checked those numbers to ensure they were correct.

ahmed_iAM · 04/29/2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Eastamherstbias

Hawaiian Black from CaribeSea.

I like it. I will say that this version is more uniform in terms of size of the grains. Back in the day it was all over the place with bigger grains. I do notice a couple more brown specks compared to the old version.

You haven't had issues with it being "magnetic" have you?

Eastamherstbias · 04/29/2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ahmed_iAM

You haven't had issues with it being "magnetic" have you?

No, I have been using Black Sand for 8-9 years but I also don't run my algae magnet through the sand.

EcoTech Service · 04/29/2014, 10:00 AM

Super informative thread... thanks for sharing your data!

brianmsu80 · 04/29/2014, 11:59 AM

Eastamherstbias

Thanks for the info!

Are your PAR readings at 100% brightness of the Radion? Or ?

I just didn't see it documented anywhere.

Eastamherstbias · 04/29/2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brianmsu80

Eastamherstbias

Thanks for the info!

Are your PAR readings at 100% brightness of the Radion? Or ?

I just didn't see it documented anywhere.

Yes, the numbers are based off 100% intensity.
-Austin

kc350twin · 04/29/2014, 09:32 PM

Great job!!!!!

What's your thoughts on the loss numbers? I've seen another them read stating some serious loss. What was the lighting schedule on the lights you measured the loss?

Thanks for your time
Kc3

Eastamherstbias · 04/29/2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kc350twin

Great job!!!!!

What's your thoughts on the loss numbers? I've seen another them read stating some serious loss. What was the lighting schedule on the lights you measured the loss?

Thanks for your time
Kc3

I really think that guy had a bad unit where he had those massive losses. There are a ton of variables that may decrease the lifespan of the Leds (heat, dead fan.etc). The gen 1 TIR & gen 2 I ran them at 70-90% for around 10 hours a day.

kc350twin · 04/29/2014, 09:38 PM

Cool thanks. I'd be lying if that thread didn't make me wonder about the lifespan of any led. It's nice to have some more experience on the topic. I wish I would have documented my numbers when I first got them.

Eastamherstbias · 04/29/2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kc350twin

Cool thanks. I'd be lying if that thread didn't make me wonder about the lifespan of any led. It's nice to have some more experience on the topic. I wish I would have documented my numbers when I first got them.

Yeah I am nice to my radions (or try to be). I keep them well ventilated and make sure they are clean and not covered in salt creep. I went to my neighbor's once and his were caked in salt creep and his fans were struggling to breathe. I am happy I documented their initial pars so I can see how they do over time.

ahmed_iAM · 04/30/2014, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kc350twin

Great job!!!!!

What's your thoughts on the loss numbers? I've seen another them read stating some serious loss. What was the lighting schedule on the lights you measured the loss?

Thanks for your time
Kc3

The loss could be the wiring and the power supply. Its not always the LEDs themselves though they could have a contributing factor.

nly04 · 04/30/2014, 03:23 PM

I just wonder why the Gen2 Pro is stronger than the Gen3 pro by look at Par chart spectrum @ 14K, 18K and 20K. why?

drtango · 05/01/2014, 11:19 AM

Great info, thanks. Have you done any readings with the wide angle lenses?

John

Eastamherstbias · 05/01/2014, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by drtango

Great info, thanks. Have you done any readings with the wide angle lenses?

John

I will need to build a chart but on initial readings the wide angle lens increase par on the fringes but you take a hit overall with lower par numbers.

Eastamherstbias · 05/01/2014, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nly04

I just wonder why the Gen2 Pro is stronger than the Gen3 pro by look at Par chart spectrum @ 14K, 18K and 20K. why?

That I really don't have an answer for.

middi226 · 05/03/2014, 04:01 AM

I just wonder why the Gen2 Pro is stronger than the Gen3 pro by look at Par chart spectrum @ 14K, 18K and 20K. why?

Did Ecotech change the colour contributions for their preset spectrums?

From memory 20k used to use 21% white?
Now its 17% white on 20k?

That would explain small differences in par at presets other then 12k?

I assume that the gen2 pros readings were taken last year using the older presets?

Does anyone else remember the presets being tweaked by Ecotech?

reefsahoy · 05/04/2014, 06:20 AM

Im so glad i found this thread, thx for the time and effort you've put into this! I have a few questions if you don't mind.

1. Are the par readings below/above water?
2. If they are below water, how high above is the light above the surface?

A request: is it possible to do a par reading at 50% and 75% max intensity say at a spectrum of 18K to see if the adjustment is indeed linear?

Comment: assuming the top chart is all leds at 100%, i would guess that would be a spectrum at 12k because the par readings are exactly the same as the bottom chart at 12K.
Notice also that the gen 3 pro is smoking hot as you go towards the white spectrum but as you go towards blue the gen 2 Pro becomes the hotter unit.

tdg0910 · 05/19/2014, 12:09 PM

Does anyone have this data for the wide angle TIR lenses?

aquapod24 · 05/19/2014, 08:57 PM

Thanks for this info very good. I currently have two Gen 3 Radion pros. Not being used for my next project. I do need a total of 3 to cover a 48x30x16 tank. Since it seems the gen 2 pro gives better par levels at 14k 18 and 20k do you think it would be a good idea to mix it up a bit and for the 3rd get a Gen 2 pro? If I do will they still connect with each other? Thanks in advance.

04/28/2014, 08:41 PM	#1
Eastamherstbias Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: East Amherst, NY Posts: 2,381	Radion Par Chart Updated 2014 edition I have updated my Par chart with the Gen 3 & Gen 3 Pros. I have also started a new component to the chart with Par loss over time since I wanted to see if my LEDS are beginning to lose their "sparkle" over time. Just a reminder I am not a scientific lab and just a hobbyist. I also upgrade to the Innovative Marine SR-120. Nice Tank, minimum complaints. __________________ Innovative Marine SR-80 with 3 x Gen 3 PROs

04/28/2014, 09:33 PM	#2
sanababit Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Uranus Posts: 3,094	Very nice tank and great info Sana __________________ Senior Member of the "Hardly any Water Changes, Temp Swinging, T5ing, No Qtining, Frag Exchanging for Fish Food Current Tank Info: 90RR inwall, Octopuss Skimmer, 2 MP40 wQD, 1 MP10 WQD, 2 Radions G4 Pro, Apex Doser, Apex Controller, 400w heater, 30 Gal Sump, Biopellets, Carbon, Gfo, Macroalgae

04/29/2014, 02:28 AM	#3
erndog1001 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Syracuse/Camillus Posts: 829	Do you have the same lenses on the Gen3's as the Gen 2? Bc I find it interesting that the pars are that much lower on new models vs older. __________________ The heck with the grandkids Ask me about my reef tank!

04/29/2014, 08:28 AM	#5
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	Great information. Thanks for your work. __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

04/29/2014, 10:00 AM	#10
EcoTech Service Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 1,633	Super informative thread... thanks for sharing your data! __________________ Jon C, EcoTech Marine For FAQs, troubleshooting advice and direct interaction with the EcoTech staff, visit http://ecotechmarine.com/support/ or call us at 1-800-785-0338 ext. 2.

04/29/2014, 02:43 AM	#4
ahmed_iAM Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 419	Thanks for the info! Very nice tank as well. Love the substrate. Where'd you get it from?

04/29/2014, 11:59 AM	#11
brianmsu80 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Okemos, MI Posts: 90	Eastamherstbias Thanks for the info! Are your PAR readings at 100% brightness of the Radion? Or ? I just didn't see it documented anywhere.

04/29/2014, 09:32 PM	#13
kc350twin Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Severn, MD Posts: 1,579	Great job!!!!! What's your thoughts on the loss numbers? I've seen another them read stating some serious loss. What was the lighting schedule on the lights you measured the loss? Thanks for your time Kc3 __________________ 112g Cube 36x36x20= Custom 12x39wPower Module (Par Monster)= Neptune Apex=ATB 840v2=BM Doser= 2 MP-40's

04/29/2014, 09:38 PM	#15
kc350twin Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Severn, MD Posts: 1,579	Cool thanks. I'd be lying if that thread didn't make me wonder about the lifespan of any led. It's nice to have some more experience on the topic. I wish I would have documented my numbers when I first got them. __________________ 112g Cube 36x36x20= Custom 12x39wPower Module (Par Monster)= Neptune Apex=ATB 840v2=BM Doser= 2 MP-40's

04/30/2014, 03:23 PM	#18
nly04 Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Union City, SF bay area Posts: 1,062	I just wonder why the Gen2 Pro is stronger than the Gen3 pro by look at Par chart spectrum @ 14K, 18K and 20K. why?

05/01/2014, 11:19 AM	#19
drtango Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Williamsville, NY Posts: 1,741	Great info, thanks. Have you done any readings with the wide angle lenses? John __________________ John www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-03/totm/index.php Current Tank Info: 200 DD, 400w halides, low tech

05/03/2014, 04:01 AM	#22
middi226 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: sheffield. u.k. Posts: 1	I just wonder why the Gen2 Pro is stronger than the Gen3 pro by look at Par chart spectrum @ 14K, 18K and 20K. why? Did Ecotech change the colour contributions for their preset spectrums? From memory 20k used to use 21% white? Now its 17% white on 20k? That would explain small differences in par at presets other then 12k? I assume that the gen2 pros readings were taken last year using the older presets? Does anyone else remember the presets being tweaked by Ecotech?

05/04/2014, 06:20 AM	#23
reefsahoy I can see thru you! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Milky Way Galaxy 3rd planet from the sun, in a country called USA! Posts: 2,685	Im so glad i found this thread, thx for the time and effort you've put into this! I have a few questions if you don't mind. 1. Are the par readings below/above water? 2. If they are below water, how high above is the light above the surface? A request: is it possible to do a par reading at 50% and 75% max intensity say at a spectrum of 18K to see if the adjustment is indeed linear? Comment: assuming the top chart is all leds at 100%, i would guess that would be a spectrum at 12k because the par readings are exactly the same as the bottom chart at 12K. Notice also that the gen 3 pro is smoking hot as you go towards the white spectrum but as you go towards blue the gen 2 Pro becomes the hotter unit. Last edited by reefsahoy; 05/04/2014 at 06:26 AM.

05/19/2014, 12:09 PM	#24
tdg0910 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 40	Does anyone have this data for the wide angle TIR lenses?

05/19/2014, 08:57 PM	#25
aquapod24 Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Albuquerque New Mexico Posts: 228	Thanks for this info very good. I currently have two Gen 3 Radion pros. Not being used for my next project. I do need a total of 3 to cover a 48x30x16 tank. Since it seems the gen 2 pro gives better par levels at 14k 18 and 20k do you think it would be a good idea to mix it up a bit and for the 3rd get a Gen 2 pro? If I do will they still connect with each other? Thanks in advance.