JapanReef - 450 gallon In-Wall system - Page 3

gregmoeck · 05/01/2006, 05:41 AM

It's very hard to believe those corals browned out that fast. wow, very sad, hopefully they will bounce back. Those pink corals look unreal. I dont think they have been altered with photoshop. looks real to me. that angel is great, wow. I remember going to a aquarium store 3 years ago in yokohoma. I could not believe their selection, they had every fish anyone could ever want and coral as well. I think people forget how close japan really is to the reefs so there is a better and brighter selection.

NexDog · 05/01/2006, 05:58 AM

Without a doubt alot of photos you see have "help" but these are quality vendors. Those corals from today looked brown in my hand but you can see what the stag looks like in the tank and my phone camera sucks so bad. If those corals are even close to those pinks I'll be happy and even if they aren't I won't rest until I attain "Iwan" type results.

NexDog · 05/01/2006, 06:03 AM

Greg, they seemed to bounce back immediately. The green monti is a bit washed out but it's definitely green and a very nice shape. I have high hopes for it. The stag is simply stunning.

NexDog · 05/02/2006, 11:31 AM

Haven't been paying to much to things but today I've been checking my tank with an electric thermometer and it reads 22C (71.6F) at the moment (it's 2.30am here. Earlier today it was reading 26.7C at the hottest point (80F). I have one of those standard glass thermomers in the sump and it tells me the water is 26C (79F). So the Finnex controllers and the glass thermometer seem to agree so is this digital thermometer just a piece of crap? Tad confused here...

Definitely want to get an accurate reading so what does anyone recommend?

melev · 05/02/2006, 12:55 PM

You really don't want your tank swinging from 71.6 to 80F in a day. That is way too much.

Could your probe be giving you a false reading due to its location? Are the MH cooking it a bit perhaps?

Whatever device you decide to trust, let us know what the temperature range is for your tank. I keep mine between 79 and 81F daily.

NexDog · 05/02/2006, 08:05 PM

I can't believe that thermometer - can I? Those little glass mercury ones appear to be accurate. On that digital thermometer I put the sensor in an overflow and then in the main tank itself with no real difference. It's almost as if it's reading the outside temperature. That would fit perfectly because yesterday the temp hit at 28C and the AC managed to keep the room around 25C and hence te ebig drop at night. If my tank was swinging almost 10F in a day I think everything would be pretty sick by now and everything is doing great....

melev · 05/02/2006, 10:17 PM

Is this a Big Temp Alert unit? It has two readings on the screen? If so, the bottom one (labeled "OUT") is the temp in the tank, which the probe is measuring. The "IN" temp is your ambient room temperature.

NexDog · 05/02/2006, 10:32 PM

Oh MAAANNNNN. Am I dumb or what? It isn't Big Temp but rather some Japanese brand. It does have In/Out though so the penny dropped. It was on In so I just switched to Out and it changed from 24.2 to 26.9 which is 80.5F. Now I can easily monitor the temp by opening the door and it's right there on the overflow.

I'll monitor over the next few days as I really don't want the tank exceeding 28C (82.5F). AC is doing the job at the moment though.

Thanks Marc.

Six more to go I see. Today is the day!!!!

melev · 05/02/2006, 10:39 PM

I never even track that stuff. Now you have me all on edge, wondering which thread will get the ultimate post.

I'm glad I was able to help you figure out the setting on that thermometer. Stuff like that happens to all of us, but once you know it, you can help others avoid the same silliness.

NexDog · 05/02/2006, 11:13 PM

I'm going to stalk ya for a few hours and see.

My corals and Regal are coming in a few minutes - just got the call. Crappy photos to follow.

NexDog · 05/03/2006, 01:11 AM

So got the new Regal. The water in teh bag was 1.027 and my QT is at 1.020 so I'm going to drip acclimatise for 12 hours or so. Awesome fish. My new favourite!

jnarowe · 05/03/2006, 01:58 AM

Hey man, that's not Reef SAFE!

Just kidding of course!

Nice looking fish...hope it acclimates well.

NexDog · 05/03/2006, 04:09 AM

Well, my zoos might be toast but he's been in captivity over a month probably and will be in QT for another month so maybe he can forget his natural diet. They don't particularly nibble on SPS so hopefully all will be well....

I'm a little bit concerned though. It's been in the bucket for 4 hours and dropped tp 1.023. It has enough water to swim upright but spends most of its time swimming on its side.

Tremelle · 05/03/2006, 07:57 AM

That is somewhat common. Are you standing over the bucket when it is doing this? Alot of fish go to their sides to get a better view of what is going on up top. Like if the new owner is getting ready to net them.

NexDog · 05/03/2006, 10:07 AM

He went in the 50g QT a few hours ago and he's swimming the right way up.

He is picking at the tank and nosing around so outlook looks bright. The 2 Heniochus are really curious. These two little guys are so funny the way they swim around the tank together.

jnarowe · 05/03/2006, 11:35 AM

Yeah they lay on their sides often when under stress. It may actually be "playing dead" but I am not sure about that. Maybe it is to get a better view.

NexDog · 05/03/2006, 08:19 PM

Well, it's still alive. Getting a fish through the first 24 hours is always the scariest part for me and this is the most I've ever paid for a fish ($140). It has taken up residence in a 1.5" pipe and isn't venturing out this morning. It's not like he's being bullied as he's the biggest fish in QT. In there with 2 sleeper gobies, the heniochus pair and a tiny yellow coris. When he goes in the main tank he'll be a similar size to the Yellow Tang and PBT so I'm sure he'll be able to hold his own.

jnarowe · 05/03/2006, 08:59 PM

yeah the pipe works great. It will come out when it's hungry and when it gets used to you. Imagine the transition from reef to glass box...can't be easy.

NexDog · 05/04/2006, 09:17 AM

He's out and about now so next stage is getting him to eat. I'm starting the drop into hypo today.

agarza · 05/09/2006, 07:54 AM

I don't remember a 4 day absence from you ever before.

Hope you are ok and everything's alright Laurence.

Just a silent reader who needs his daily fix of JapanReef

Cheers!

NexDog · 05/09/2006, 09:54 AM

Hey Alfonso, all is well. My QT is now officially in hypo with the Regal Angel, Yellow Coris Wrasse, Heniochus pair and 2 sleeper gobies. All appear to be eating well. The Regal isn't really taking to flake or other prepared foods but is nibbling on nori. I also pulled an algae infested rock out the sump and placed it in there and it's been nibbling on that so I have high hopes for it.

Main tank is doing well. I moved the LTA a bit towards the left of the island to make way for corals. I got 3 corals with the Regal last week and the pink acro doesn't look anything like the picture on the site. Maybe it will colour up at some point. The monti is a dark red rather than pink but it's nice.

I have to get a chiller this month as backup which is making me wince a bit. I'm all paid up on the new Vortech pumps so waiting for them now. They might ship out next week so we'll see....Chiller and those pumps will be a big step in this project.

Next on the list is a Calcium reactor but I'm not worrying about this too much. At the moment Kalk and a small cup of B-Ionic in the RODI auto top-off container is maining levels. I have to top it off every 2-3 days depending on how wet I run the skimmer so every time I refill I add a cup of B-Ionic and shake the Kalk bottle.

I'm also trying to hold myself back from buying more corals. Jury's out on whether I withstand the withdrawal.

agarza · 05/09/2006, 10:38 AM

Good to hear everything's alright. Can't wait to see all those fish in your system. Thanks for answering so soon.

Cheers!

jnarowe · 05/09/2006, 11:15 AM

Hey Dog, who did you order the Vortechs from?

NexDog · 05/09/2006, 10:22 PM

I went with AquariumSpecialty for the Vortechs. I love MD but always on the lookout for good vendors and Scott is a good man.

jnarowe · 05/09/2006, 10:59 PM

Price?

05/01/2006, 05:58 AM	#52
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Without a doubt alot of photos you see have "help" but these are quality vendors. Those corals from today looked brown in my hand but you can see what the stag looks like in the tank and my phone camera sucks so bad. If those corals are even close to those pinks I'll be happy and even if they aren't I won't rest until I attain "Iwan" type results. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/01/2006, 06:03 AM	#53
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Greg, they seemed to bounce back immediately. The green monti is a bit washed out but it's definitely green and a very nice shape. I have high hopes for it. The stag is simply stunning. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/02/2006, 11:31 AM	#54
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Haven't been paying to much to things but today I've been checking my tank with an electric thermometer and it reads 22C (71.6F) at the moment (it's 2.30am here. Earlier today it was reading 26.7C at the hottest point (80F). I have one of those standard glass thermomers in the sump and it tells me the water is 26C (79F). So the Finnex controllers and the glass thermometer seem to agree so is this digital thermometer just a piece of crap? Tad confused here... Definitely want to get an accurate reading so what does anyone recommend? __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/02/2006, 08:05 PM	#56
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	I can't believe that thermometer - can I? Those little glass mercury ones appear to be accurate. On that digital thermometer I put the sensor in an overflow and then in the main tank itself with no real difference. It's almost as if it's reading the outside temperature. That would fit perfectly because yesterday the temp hit at 28C and the AC managed to keep the room around 25C and hence te ebig drop at night. If my tank was swinging almost 10F in a day I think everything would be pretty sick by now and everything is doing great.... __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/02/2006, 10:32 PM	#58
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Oh MAAANNNNN. Am I dumb or what? It isn't Big Temp but rather some Japanese brand. It does have In/Out though so the penny dropped. It was on In so I just switched to Out and it changed from 24.2 to 26.9 which is 80.5F. Now I can easily monitor the temp by opening the door and it's right there on the overflow. I'll monitor over the next few days as I really don't want the tank exceeding 28C (82.5F). AC is doing the job at the moment though. Thanks Marc. Six more to go I see. Today is the day!!!! __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/01/2006, 05:41 AM	#51
gregmoeck Moved On Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Louisville,KY Posts: 709	It's very hard to believe those corals browned out that fast. wow, very sad, hopefully they will bounce back. Those pink corals look unreal. I dont think they have been altered with photoshop. looks real to me. that angel is great, wow. I remember going to a aquarium store 3 years ago in yokohoma. I could not believe their selection, they had every fish anyone could ever want and coral as well. I think people forget how close japan really is to the reefs so there is a better and brighter selection.

05/02/2006, 12:55 PM	#55
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	You really don't want your tank swinging from 71.6 to 80F in a day. That is way too much. Could your probe be giving you a false reading due to its location? Are the MH cooking it a bit perhaps? Whatever device you decide to trust, let us know what the temperature range is for your tank. I keep mine between 79 and 81F daily.

05/02/2006, 10:17 PM	#57
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Is this a Big Temp Alert unit? It has two readings on the screen? If so, the bottom one (labeled "OUT") is the temp in the tank, which the probe is measuring. The "IN" temp is your ambient room temperature.

05/02/2006, 10:39 PM	#59
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	I never even track that stuff. Now you have me all on edge, wondering which thread will get the ultimate post. I'm glad I was able to help you figure out the setting on that thermometer. Stuff like that happens to all of us, but once you know it, you can help others avoid the same silliness.

05/02/2006, 11:13 PM	#60
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	I'm going to stalk ya for a few hours and see. My corals and Regal are coming in a few minutes - just got the call. Crappy photos to follow. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/03/2006, 01:11 AM	#61
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	So got the new Regal. The water in teh bag was 1.027 and my QT is at 1.020 so I'm going to drip acclimatise for 12 hours or so. Awesome fish. My new favourite! __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/03/2006, 01:58 AM	#62
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Hey man, that's not Reef SAFE! Just kidding of course! Nice looking fish...hope it acclimates well. __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

05/03/2006, 04:09 AM	#63
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Well, my zoos might be toast but he's been in captivity over a month probably and will be in QT for another month so maybe he can forget his natural diet. They don't particularly nibble on SPS so hopefully all will be well.... I'm a little bit concerned though. It's been in the bucket for 4 hours and dropped tp 1.023. It has enough water to swim upright but spends most of its time swimming on its side. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/03/2006, 07:57 AM	#64
Tremelle Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 929	That is somewhat common. Are you standing over the bucket when it is doing this? Alot of fish go to their sides to get a better view of what is going on up top. Like if the new owner is getting ready to net them.

05/03/2006, 10:07 AM	#65
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	He went in the 50g QT a few hours ago and he's swimming the right way up. He is picking at the tank and nosing around so outlook looks bright. The 2 Heniochus are really curious. These two little guys are so funny the way they swim around the tank together. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/03/2006, 11:35 AM	#66
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Yeah they lay on their sides often when under stress. It may actually be "playing dead" but I am not sure about that. Maybe it is to get a better view. __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

05/03/2006, 08:19 PM	#67
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Well, it's still alive. Getting a fish through the first 24 hours is always the scariest part for me and this is the most I've ever paid for a fish ($140). It has taken up residence in a 1.5" pipe and isn't venturing out this morning. It's not like he's being bullied as he's the biggest fish in QT. In there with 2 sleeper gobies, the heniochus pair and a tiny yellow coris. When he goes in the main tank he'll be a similar size to the Yellow Tang and PBT so I'm sure he'll be able to hold his own. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/03/2006, 08:59 PM	#68
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	yeah the pipe works great. It will come out when it's hungry and when it gets used to you. Imagine the transition from reef to glass box...can't be easy. __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

05/04/2006, 09:17 AM	#69
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	He's out and about now so next stage is getting him to eat. I'm starting the drop into hypo today. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/09/2006, 07:54 AM	#70
agarza Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 323	I don't remember a 4 day absence from you ever before. Hope you are ok and everything's alright Laurence. Just a silent reader who needs his daily fix of JapanReef Cheers! __________________ Alfonso Garza "Never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight." -- Phyllis Diller Current Tank Info: 135 galon reef system, EuroReef RS-180, Mag 12, Seios 1500, MH 250-14k Hamilton, Actinic VHO URI, 1/3 HP Chiller.

05/09/2006, 09:54 AM	#71
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Hey Alfonso, all is well. My QT is now officially in hypo with the Regal Angel, Yellow Coris Wrasse, Heniochus pair and 2 sleeper gobies. All appear to be eating well. The Regal isn't really taking to flake or other prepared foods but is nibbling on nori. I also pulled an algae infested rock out the sump and placed it in there and it's been nibbling on that so I have high hopes for it. Main tank is doing well. I moved the LTA a bit towards the left of the island to make way for corals. I got 3 corals with the Regal last week and the pink acro doesn't look anything like the picture on the site. Maybe it will colour up at some point. The monti is a dark red rather than pink but it's nice. I have to get a chiller this month as backup which is making me wince a bit. I'm all paid up on the new Vortech pumps so waiting for them now. They might ship out next week so we'll see....Chiller and those pumps will be a big step in this project. Next on the list is a Calcium reactor but I'm not worrying about this too much. At the moment Kalk and a small cup of B-Ionic in the RODI auto top-off container is maining levels. I have to top it off every 2-3 days depending on how wet I run the skimmer so every time I refill I add a cup of B-Ionic and shake the Kalk bottle. I'm also trying to hold myself back from buying more corals. Jury's out on whether I withstand the withdrawal. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/09/2006, 10:38 AM	#72
agarza Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 323	Good to hear everything's alright. Can't wait to see all those fish in your system. Thanks for answering so soon. Cheers! __________________ Alfonso Garza "Never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight." -- Phyllis Diller Current Tank Info: 135 galon reef system, EuroReef RS-180, Mag 12, Seios 1500, MH 250-14k Hamilton, Actinic VHO URI, 1/3 HP Chiller.

05/09/2006, 11:15 AM	#73
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Hey Dog, who did you order the Vortechs from? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

05/09/2006, 10:22 PM	#74
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	I went with AquariumSpecialty for the Vortechs. I love MD but always on the lookout for good vendors and Scott is a good man. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/09/2006, 10:59 PM	#75
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Price? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted