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Old 11/19/2017, 12:47 PM   #1
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No luck with flame angels...need help to save him pls.

Hi guys

Bought a Flame Angel along with a Coral Beauty and a Yelloe Sripped 4 days ago in mt LFS. When capturing the flame it jumped out of the net and fell hard on the floor. It was the only one left so I told the guy that I would keep an eye on him and call him if something happened. Sure enough it didn't make it through the first night of TTM.
Went back to the LFS and he gave a replacement from a new batch yesterday. Today it is laying his side very weak. It still can swim if I pull it up but a few mins later is back down.

I changed the water for fresh one as before putting them in the new TTM tank when I brought it yesterday. I acclimated him, and gravity is at 1.025 in the TTM tank.All other angels are fine and no sign of scuffle.

Need help in trying to save him and finding out what could be going wrong.

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Old 11/19/2017, 04:50 PM   #2
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Bummer! This won't be a very satisfying answer, but once a fish gets into that state there is probably nothing further you can do for him.

IMO, the LFS should not have let you take a fish that fell on the floor.

The best fish stores will hold fish for some time before offering for sale, making sure they are eating and have survived the travel stress. The mortality for fish from "a new batch" is often very high -- with not much you can do about it.


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Old 11/19/2017, 08:37 PM   #3
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Thank you Sat. Fish is still in the same condition. I am surprised he made it this long. For lack of anything else I just put him in for about 10 secs in fresh rodi water, not sure if that is the correct way to do a "fresh water dip" or if it helps at all but...I guess it wont hurt.
We'll see.


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Old 11/19/2017, 09:31 PM   #4
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A FW dip is probably as good as anything. For next time you do that, it's best if you match the temperature, add a bit of baking soda as buffer, and make sure it's well aerated. Use a clear container so you can tell if anything falls off the fish.

I hope he recovers.


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Old 11/19/2017, 10:36 PM   #5
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I've never been a big fan of throwing a new fish into tank transfer, or any aggressive treatment, right away. Flames are quite delicate and can die for no apparent reason. I much prefer to give them some time in QT to get acclimated and eating. Many of the diseases that can pop up aren't immediately fatal, so you really do have some time.


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Old 11/19/2017, 11:11 PM   #6
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I've never been a big fan of throwing a new fish into tank transfer, or any aggressive treatment, right away. Flames are quite delicate and can die for no apparent reason. I much prefer to give them some time in QT to get acclimated and eating. Many of the diseases that can pop up aren't immediately fatal, so you really do have some time.


I second this.
Those poor fish where caught in a boat held in a storage tank. Then placed in another tank in some far far away country. Then shipped 12-18 hours to an airport where they wait to be picked up. Then some wholesaler has them fir a day to a week. Then your lfs has them for a day. Then you walk in throw accumulate it to a higher saltily and throw it in a tank with no rock , no hiding places (maybe a pvc pipe) probably only feeding it once maybe 2 times a day. Oh wait instead of doing this by itself you add 2 tank mates as potential bullyís.


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Old 11/19/2017, 11:15 PM   #7
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I second this.
Those poor fish where caught in a boat held in a storage tank. Then placed in another tank in some far far away country. Then shipped 12-18 hours to an airport where they wait to be picked up. Then some wholesaler has them fir a day to a week. Then your lfs has them for a day. Then you walk in throw accumulate it to a higher saltily and throw it in a tank with no rock , no hiding places (maybe a pvc pipe) probably only feeding it once maybe 2 times a day. Oh wait instead of doing this by itself you add 2 tank mates as potential bullyís.


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Dont forget the fact that they starve the fish for a week to clear its bowels each time it is shipped so they dont crap in transit and pollute the water they are shipped in.


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Old 11/19/2017, 11:18 PM   #8
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Lol yes being half starved to death in this whole process too


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Old 11/19/2017, 11:21 PM   #9
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Also I never buy fish that come in to my lfs until they been there a couple weeks . I normally stop there once a week for something anyway. My powder blue tang was at the store for a month before I bought it.


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Old 11/20/2017, 07:21 AM   #10
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I second this.
Those poor fish where caught in a boat held in a storage tank. Then placed in another tank in some far far away country. Then shipped 12-18 hours to an airport where they wait to be picked up. Then some wholesaler has them fir a day to a week. Then your lfs has them for a day. Then you walk in throw accumulate it to a higher saltily and throw it in a tank with no rock , no hiding places (maybe a pvc pipe) probably only feeding it once maybe 2 times a day. Oh wait instead of doing this by itself you add 2 tank mates as potential bullyís.


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Old 11/20/2017, 09:20 AM   #11
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I am doing a ttm right now with 3 fish I purchased from LA and they are doing fine. I put some sand in a bowl for my wrasse and he was sleeping so sound this AM that i though he was dead.


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Old 11/20/2017, 09:24 AM   #12
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Just because you get away with it a few times doesnít make it the correct or sound thing to do. Fish that are more sensitive will not survive. Itís your fish you can do what you want with them. Heck you can filet them and eat them. But I would put them in a separate tank already running with live rock and observe for a month. Feed the heck out of them and do weekly wAter changes.


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Old 11/20/2017, 10:04 AM   #13
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ttm is an accepted protocol for prophylactic treatment of fish whether you like it or not. I make sure the containers are sufficiently large 15-20 gallons of water, that the SG and temp are perfectly matched and feed the fish 2x per day. At any hint of increased ammonia I do a partial wc. I also make sure there are plenty of hiding places and no bright lights.


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Old 11/20/2017, 10:11 AM   #14
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I am sorry but show me where you read that doing ttm with 3 Fish at once was protocol. Also show me where you read ttm or qt 2 draft angels st once was a good idea. Think we might have some fake news here . Putting 2 dwarf angels in a 15 or 20 gallon of water is just plain silly, I could use another work that starts with s but trying to be productive. I donít think 2 dwarfs in a 55 gallon tank is the best idea. I have been keeping saltwater fish since 1994, I am no expert but I learned a little in my years. What you did wasnít smart period


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Old 11/20/2017, 10:38 AM   #15
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I think you should read before jump on me. I don't have any angels. I have 3 very small compatible fish and 15 gallons of water in a 30 gallon tub is just fine for a few days for ttm. They appear to be relaxed and have great appetites. Larger fish I agree need more room. "yes size counts" You do it your way and I will do it my way and I can do without your not so polite comments. Obtw I started sw tanks in 1985 and have made my share of mistakes and have learned a lot, I am still learning so I rarely get on people for doing things different than I would.


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Old 11/23/2017, 02:12 PM   #16
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The op is doing ttm with 2 angels in 15 gallon tank. You stAted you have done 3 Fish at one time. I simple stated 2 angels in 15 gallon ttm tank is stupid in my opinion. You actually stated you donít have angels. So why are you joining this conversation. I might sound like the rude one here and if so so be it. But your giving advice on ttm Fish thAt you didnít keep. Op needed help on flame angels and why they keep dying in ttm. My advice is simple donít ttm newly purchased flame angels while ttm a coral beauty. Itís was too stressful for the flame who is not as durable of a fish as the coral beauty. Flame are really bad shippers.


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