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03/26/2019, 04:17 AM | #1 |
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never saw this......
I never saw (P. biaculeatus) in a group.........always as a single pair......
check this vid from Solomons....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nnuZWeAzcA |
03/26/2019, 10:41 AM | #2 |
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Wow. And there was 3 fairly good sized individuals side by side, along with Some A frenatus.
I’ve never even had a male grow more than 1/4 the size of a female, even after 10-12 years. All my males seemed to have reached a small size and never grow, although the females grow. |
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I think normally you find pairs in solitary BTAs. I can't remember to have seen maroons in BTA clone colonies as those are most of the time occupied by members of the Tomato complex or clarkiis.
That they are here in a clone colony side by side with members of the Tomato complex (seemingly A. melanopus) might be one of the reasons why so many large ones get along. It may just be a necessity for them to maintain their status there. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
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I think that its (A. melanopus).......a rare variety from Solomon Islands.......they are red....with White tail.......
very rare to find pictures of this (A. melanopus) variety........in all these years I think that I have only 2 or 3........... |
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03/26/2019, 01:52 PM | #6 |
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while (A. frenatus) males are small..........(A. melanopus) males are almost the female size...........
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03/26/2019, 04:47 PM | #8 |
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maybe it was an old male.........and the female was not completed developed or it was younger.......
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03/26/2019, 06:55 PM | #9 |
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Maybe the female maroons were only that close because they were trying to chase off the diver. Their home anemones could have be 5-6 feet from each other.
Just a thought.
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Also several of the Maroons got chunks missing of their fins. I am sure that there are a lot of aggressive interaction between these fishes.
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03/27/2019, 04:06 AM | #12 |
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Yes Phil.......the anemone colony seems to be large..........and the clowns have its own territory........
and some have lost pieces of the tail.......... this is the only Picture I know of a pair with similar size........from Andaman... all the other Pictures I saw males are very tiny............ |
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I've seen more pairs of gold stripe maroons with large males. IMO, they are a different species than the "normal" maroons.
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03/27/2019, 10:56 AM | #14 |
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yes......(Premnas epigrammata)........
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I would even question if Premnas is actually a valid genus.
I think the genetic evidence is strong that they are Amphiprion like the rest of the clownfish. This is also supported by the fact that they can easily be crossed with percula and ocellaris. Another possibility would be that percula and ocellaris belong to Premnas as they all belong to the same clade. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
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03/27/2019, 04:39 PM | #16 |
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They all changed names........
for exemple.... Saddlebacks are Genus (Paramphiprion) Skunks are Genus (Phalerebus) Spinecheeks are Genus (Premnas) Tomato Complex are Genus (Amphiprion) Ocellaris - Percula are Genus (Actinicola) the rest are needing a revision.......... Chrysogaster - Fuscocaudatus Latifasciatus - Allardi Bicinctus - Omanensis - Chagosensis - Nigripes Chrysopterus group Clark´s (Yellow tail group) Chrysagyrus (White tail group) Latezonatus Akindynos - Mccullochi Leucokranos - Thiellei |
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There have always been lumpers and splitters among taxonomists. I'm thinking you might have a hard time convincing most of the taxonomists that populations that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring deserve to be in separate genus.
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YES....almost impossible task.......
In case of (A.leucokranos) and (A. thiellei)........due the fact that all have a strong influence of a common Parental species (A. sandaracinos)........these two taxa should be placed in a new Genus........maybe taxonomists have to create this new Genus..........I think it do not exist........... Parental species of (A. thiellei)...... Parental species of (A. leucokranos).......... |
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In my oppinion Taxonomists have to create 8 new Genus :
1) Chrysogaster - Fuscocaudatus 2) Latifasciatus - Allardi 3) Bicinctus - Omanensis - Chagosensis - Nigripes 4) Chrysopterus group 5) Clark´s (Yellow tail group) 6) Chrysagyrus (White tail group) 7) Latezonatus (monotypic) 8) Akindynos - Mccullochi 9) Leucokranos - Thiellei Only the 5) and the 6)........maybe should be put at the same Genus.......... |
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this is what exists today...........
Saddlebacks are Genus (Paramphiprion) Skunks are Genus (Phalerebus) Spinecheeks are Genus (Premnas) Tomato Complex are Genus (Amphiprion) Ocellaris - Percula are Genus (Actinicola) the others have to be created......... |
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Given how clownfish can interbreed with each other and create fertile offspring it is rather doubtful that there is any justification, let alone need, to break up Amphiprion in favor of a multitude of micro genera. However, an argument that could be made is that either Premnas should be merged (back) into Amphiprion or that ocellaris, percula, and "darwiniensis" (the black "ocellaris" from Darwin) are moved into to Premnas or an it predating older genus. The latter case may actually make sense in the light that these 4 share more similarities with each other than with the rest of Amphiprion.
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Split them in new Genus......is according to their evolution........
Join them into a single Genus is to go back to ancestrality.......... Look at their Juveniles..........there´s a huge morphological diferences between Juveniles of each group that I pointed............. Relationship with anemones too.......few groups show signs of melanism while others do no show.......... There´s a huge diference between them........... I do not agree in put them together.............its the easy way to do anemonefish taxonomy................... I´m not fan of the easy way...........I like to explore the details..............specially the Juveniles morphology....... |
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It seems that melanopus and maroons sharing anemones is by no means rare:
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this is not taxonomy......
I don´t understand the link with taxonomy......... Reticulated Evolution exists..........its a way to creation of new species........ But all these taxa was evolved during a huge period of isolation..........specially before the end of Glacial Era and the raise of the Sea level.......... the Sea level raise unite these taxa that was separated........ but you have to consider the time of the isolation that lead to the speciation........... |
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