JBNY's 270 Ver2.0 - Page 37

ukrimless · 12/26/2017, 02:34 PM

Looking at your test results, the macro elements suggest that your salinity is a little high.

But as always your corals are looking amazing.

nematode · 12/28/2017, 08:14 PM

I was reading through this thread and I am correcting an error.

#607 from JB NY

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yes Acropower is an amino acid, it is sold by TLF. Amino acids are used by pretty much all growing things: fish, corals, people, algae etc. Aminos are also a form of Nitrate, and just like all nitrate, some is good, too much is not. Corals need to uptake nitrate to grow. But for their total nitrate needs, corals will only take in about 20% of their total nitrates from aminos, the rest they take from inorganic nitrates like ammonium (from fish) and NO3. So if we add only AA as your nitrate source this can lead to problems as the coral can only take in so much AA and the rest feeds algae. Mixing it with a nitrate solution such as the KNO3 I think is a way to get AA into the mix without over doing it and still getting the NO3 they need as well.

#817 from JB NY

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Thanks, I stopped dosing TLF AA a while ago. I read a few papers that showed that AA are really just another form of nitrates to the corals and corals are more easily able to take up Nitrates than AA so I stopped dosing the AA. Based on where my current tank is I don't see a need to dose AA anymore.

I was reading through this thread and I am correcting errors of fact.

1) Acropower is a not an (one) amino acid, but likely a mixture of multiple different animo acids.

2) Amino acids are not a "form of nitrate". This is incorrect. Animo acids do contain nitrogen.
they are in the form of COOH-C-R-NH2, where R is the side chain of the animo acid.
Thus animo acids have an amine group NH2 and contain nitrogren, but they are not a direct source of nitrates. Some amino acids like lysine contain additional nitrogen. Feeding amino acids will lead to a increase in nitrates just like feeding food increases nitrates.

Typically food feed to fish contains lots of compounds containing reduce nitrogen like animo acids (and protein which are chains of amino acids). These sources of nitrogen are then eaten by fish and excreted by fish as urine that contains ammonia NH3/NH4+depending on pH.
This ammonia is then oxidized to nitrates when it is used by aerobic bacteria.

nematode · 12/30/2017, 11:42 AM

I am curious about your approach to putting new fish in the tank
Do you quarantine?

Fishman77 · 01/02/2018, 08:14 PM

Don’t miss out seeing Joes speech on his tank this Friday at long island reef association club meeting. If you guys have any questions let me know.

biecacka · 01/02/2018, 08:39 PM

this has always been one of my favorite tanks!

corey

saltywet · 01/02/2018, 11:05 PM

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I am now firmly a believer in phosphates are not nearly as important as we have been lead to believe. I really think people, myself included, have done more damage to their tank by trying to reduce phosphates than if they had just left them alone.

Joe, my phosphates have been very high 0.6. Everytime I try to slowly reduce it thus far, I would get some SPS stn on me. I have installed a Pax Bellum for about a week now.

Based on your own experience for your system, because every system will be different. What level of phosphates range is deemed good for your system?

Thanks!

JB NY · 01/03/2018, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tnyr5

"Yup I am adding extra stuff already, if I could figure out what is missing I would just add it to the mix, but no luck so far."

If your reactor is on its own pump, try adding a portion of your Manganese dose near the intake & see if you get a growth spurt. Manganese deficiency mimics Iron deficiency in many plants.

I add a lot of Manganese at this point, I'm really not sure where it all goes but I will try that, thanks.

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Originally Posted by ukrimless

Hi Joe,

Are you dosing with Core7 ? or the original base elements ?

The original Base Elements. I bought a 2 year supply last year.

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Originally Posted by ukrimless

Looking at your test results, the macro elements suggest that your salinity is a little high.

But as always your corals are looking amazing.

Yup, I tested right away, SG was 1.030! I lowered it over a few day back down to 1.025. I had not tested my SG in well over a year, I put it down on the maintenance schedule for every 2 months to check it.

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Originally Posted by biecacka

this has always been one of my favorite tanks!

corey

Thanks Corey!

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Originally Posted by saltywet

Joe, my phosphates have been very high 0.6. Everytime I try to slowly reduce it thus far, I would get some SPS stn on me. I have installed a Pax Bellum for about a week now.

Based on your own experience for your system, because every system will be different. What level of phosphates range is deemed good for your system?

Thanks!

Other than seeing it in a test result. I've noticed no difference AT ALL in my tank with the phosphate from barely detectable at 0.02 to over 1 where it is now.

lynchmob3000 · 01/04/2018, 01:08 AM

I searched the whole thread and probably skipped over it some how but I was wondering what your lighting cycle on the t5 and halides are?

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JB NY · 01/04/2018, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lynchmob3000

I searched the whole thread and probably skipped over it some how but I was wondering what your lighting cycle on the t5 and halides are?

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12 hours T5, 8 hours MH.

lynchmob3000 · 01/04/2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JB NY

12 hours T5, 8 hours MH.

Thank you

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saltywet · 01/04/2018, 12:48 PM

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Other than seeing it in a test result. I've noticed no difference AT ALL in my tank with the phosphate from barely detectable at 0.02 to over 1 where it is now.

Wow, to even get growth with Phosphates being at 1.

I always thought high Phosphates inhibited SPS growth, but in your case, that does not seem to be an issue.

Can I ask the range of your Nitrate right now? I wonder if high Phosphates also need to have higher Nitrate levels in some sort of proportion to keep the SPS happy?

Thanks

JB NY · 03/20/2018, 09:14 AM

Recent video of the tank.

Also my tank was awarded the Tank Spotlight for March 2018 over at another reef board!

JB NY · 03/20/2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by saltywet

Wow, to even get growth with Phosphates being at 1.

I always thought high Phosphates inhibited SPS growth, but in your case, that does not seem to be an issue.

Can I ask the range of your Nitrate right now? I wonder if high Phosphates also need to have higher Nitrate levels in some sort of proportion to keep the SPS happy?

Thanks

Nitrates are about 10-15 ppm right now. Phosphates are still a little high around 1.7 ppm as of two weeks ago.

Ucantwin · 03/20/2018, 10:46 AM

Joe, why do you believe some people have issues with higher nutrient levels while some, like yourself do not?

shred5 · 03/20/2018, 10:52 AM

Still looking good.

shih87 · 03/20/2018, 10:58 AM

Very nice video!
May I know which camera you used?
Thx,

reefmutt · 03/20/2018, 12:02 PM

Looking fantastic Joe. Congrats!
Did you mean .17 ppm for phosphates?

JB NY · 03/20/2018, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ucantwin

Joe, why do you believe some people have issues with higher nutrient levels while some, like yourself do not?

I think many people don't have enough critters or fish to eat algae in the first place. I have about 150 snails in the tank at any one time, I buy about 80 every 6-8 months. In addition to fish that will take care of the algae.

Also most people seem to take normal algae cycles as Nitrate or phosphate problem. Pretty much every tank get a bad algae bloom around the 4-8 month mark and another around 2.5-3 years. Some time it's quite bad, but it will go away, you just need to get through it.

Of course you need to make sure you do have decent nutrient export, for me I still need to add Nitrates to the system, so my nutrient export is ok.

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Originally Posted by shred5

Still looking good.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by shih87

Very nice video!
May I know which camera you used?
Thx,

iPhone 7s. The still shots are from a Nikon D7100

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Originally Posted by reefmutt

Looking fantastic Joe. Congrats!
Did you mean .17 ppm for phosphates?

oh no, it is 1.7 baby!

SawCJack00 · 03/20/2018, 12:58 PM

Absolutely spectacular Joe! Keep it up.

reefmutt · 03/20/2018, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JB NY

oh no, it is 1.7 baby!

Oh yeah!!!!
Now THAT’S impressive!!!

Ucantwin · 03/20/2018, 03:10 PM

Joe, I mean besides algae. You read studies saying high po4 stunts sps growth, along with turning them brown. Looking at your tank, it doesn't seem to be the case.

What do you believe sets your tank apart from these studies?

Pslreefer · 03/20/2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ucantwin

Joe, I mean besides algae. You read studies saying high po4 stunts sps growth, along with turning them brown. Looking at your tank, it doesn't seem to be the case.

What do you believe sets your tank apart from these studies?

Those studies have been debunked many times and it’s really just the average reefers blaming high nutrients on their issues. Master aquarists like Sanjay run high nutrient systems.

I prefer po4 of .3-.5 myself.

Wiskey · 03/20/2018, 05:43 PM

That's an awesome video!!! I love hearing that your tank has a PO4 level of 1.7. I'm trying really hard to leave my P04 alone. I've never done any good trying to force those levels down.

Whiskey

bif24701 · 03/20/2018, 06:04 PM

Absolutely one of the best aquariums ever.

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gregkn73 · 03/20/2018, 11:19 PM

Marvelous, busting one more myth about po4 ....:-)

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03/20/2018, 09:14 AM	#912
JB NY Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 9,207	Recent video of the tank. Also my tank was awarded the Tank Spotlight for March 2018 over at another reef board! __________________ -Joe TOTM Sept 2002 \| Reefland April 2004 \| CORAL Magazine Nov 2007 Featured Tank "Coral Reef Aquarium" 2011 \| Reef Spotlight 2018 Current Tank Info: 270G SPS Tank, 140G sumps, 35G Frag Tank, Ultra Reef Akula UKS-200 Skimmer, Apex, Giesemann Spectra 3x250W MH 4x80W T5, 2xReefbrite Tech 72" Blue LED, Triton Dosing, ARID C30 Algae Reactor, Maxspect Gyre

03/20/2018, 10:52 AM	#915
shred5 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Waukesha , WI Posts: 4,998	Still looking good. __________________ David Polzin

03/20/2018, 10:58 AM	#916
shih87 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hsinchu, Taiwan Posts: 1,294	Very nice video! May I know which camera you used? Thx, __________________ Zeovit DTOTQ Q3 2015 RC TOTM April 2016 Reef Hobbyist Magazine Q2 2017 R二R TOTM Oct 2017 Aquaforest ROTM June 2019

03/20/2018, 12:02 PM	#917
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Looking fantastic Joe. Congrats! Did you mean .17 ppm for phosphates? __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

03/20/2018, 12:58 PM	#919
SawCJack00 Professional Mind Reader Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 1,809	Absolutely spectacular Joe! Keep it up. __________________ Bill Bramucci My build thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2670607 Don't forget your towel! Current Tank Info: Red Sea Reefer 750 XXL

12/26/2017, 02:34 PM	#901
ukrimless Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 23	Looking at your test results, the macro elements suggest that your salinity is a little high. But as always your corals are looking amazing.

12/30/2017, 11:42 AM	#903
nematode Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Saint Louis Posts: 720	I am curious about your approach to putting new fish in the tank Do you quarantine?

01/02/2018, 08:39 PM	#905
biecacka Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 6,361	this has always been one of my favorite tanks! corey

01/04/2018, 01:08 AM	#908
lynchmob3000 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Elverta Posts: 635	I searched the whole thread and probably skipped over it some how but I was wondering what your lighting cycle on the t5 and halides are? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03/20/2018, 10:46 AM	#914
Ucantwin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: some where Posts: 559	Joe, why do you believe some people have issues with higher nutrient levels while some, like yourself do not?

03/20/2018, 03:10 PM	#921
Ucantwin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: some where Posts: 559	Joe, I mean besides algae. You read studies saying high po4 stunts sps growth, along with turning them brown. Looking at your tank, it doesn't seem to be the case. What do you believe sets your tank apart from these studies?

03/20/2018, 05:43 PM	#923
Wiskey Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fallbrook, CA Posts: 3,049	That's an awesome video!!! I love hearing that your tank has a PO4 level of 1.7. I'm trying really hard to leave my P04 alone. I've never done any good trying to force those levels down. Whiskey __________________ This video shows 15 months of coral growth in my tank in a 30 second timelapse: https://youtu.be/bF6C57aTDEo

03/20/2018, 06:04 PM	#924
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	Absolutely one of the best aquariums ever. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

03/20/2018, 11:19 PM	#925
gregkn73 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 278	Marvelous, busting one more myth about po4 ....:-) Sent from my Tab2A7-10F using Tapatalk