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Unread 03/21/2012, 06:44 PM   #51
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Is there any way to tell if a lone skunk is a male/female? I would assume not.



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I am pretty sure nigripes is out of the equation due its restricted geographical distribution (primarily the Maldives and Sri Lanka).


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You may just be right....

What kind of nem would sand/occy share in the wild?
How hard are hard are haddoni nems to keep(I know they are as easy a bubble tips)? I know gigantica are really hard but wasn't sure about Haddoni. How often do sandys accept bubble tips as hosts?


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You may just be right....

What kind of nem would sand/occy share in the wild?
How hard are hard are haddoni nems to keep(I know they are as easy a bubble tips)? I know gigantica are really hard but wasn't sure about Haddoni. How often do sandys accept bubble tips as hosts?
S. mertensii is common to both.


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here is my theory and yes I have tried pairing sandy/occy with no success once the female was ready to spawn the relationship always fell apart.
I always tried with small juvys when i did it I belive in the hybred pair theory.

Now I belive in the hybred unpaired theory.
here is the scenario as illustrated in the video's above many clownfish migrating around in a field of anemones. Some male/female bonds occur and breeding takes place as usual. these pair are imo exclusively same species. (I also belive the classifications of clowns needs to be reworked, but another post for that.)
Some fish begin to mature unpaired and they are males who roam the anemone field. These males will cut in on spawning pairs. maybe only for a second before being driven off. eventually unpaired males become female and choose a mate. The numbers of hybreds are kept low because not a ton of anemone fish share hosts, and the time a fish is a male is short. not to mention the difficulty in cutting in.
I belive it is highly likely that fish of a certain region share recessive genes and it is within any combination of these fish that Theille or even Leuk are created from.
I too am a proponent of that theory. In fact, at the moment I'd say it's my prevailing theory, though I wouldn't say it is the only theory to which I'd give creedance.

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Also I think it is highly likely that Theille are polymnus not occy this is the fish I belive is responsible for Theille
I considered the possibility more than once that A. polymnus might be a contributor. The second was when I saw the above picture of a Philippine variant. However, looking at A. sandaracinos, A. polymnus and A. thiellei, the questions that come to mind are:
- Where does the orange base color originate?
- Where does the consistant white mark at the caudal peduncle originate?
- Why don't they seem to get any larger than a male sandaracinos? Mine are the largest I've seen to date, though Mike thielle's might be the same size and his female has been in captivity for close to two decades.
- Why is there no common host anemone between the two purposed parent species?


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I just don't see it.













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Think they would settle for a haddoni or rbta ...

Nice pics! I like the second one!

I found out that the occy is almost 10 years old and has never had an anemone,do you think it will be hard for it to adjust to one?


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Those are some beautiful fish.


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IME thiellei has no problem with BTA. I think if sandaracinos male will go in, the ocellaris will follow. I used to use juvi clarkiis to show other clowns that an anemone was safe.


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That's a good idea ! If after a while they don't take to maybe I will try it! But what should do with it later......


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That's a good idea ! If after a while they don't take to maybe I will try it! But what should do with it later......
The point of my mentioning the clarkii trick was that if you have a fish in an anemone, others will observe this and follow. I think there's a pretty good chance your male sandy will jump right in a BTA. If so, the ocellaris will claim it as her territory. I don't think you will need the clarkii. If you do, it either becomes a sump fish that gets fat and happy off scraps or you give/sell it to another hobbyist or trade it to the LFS as store credit.


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Really ,I thought it would be the occelaris that would go in first?guess we will find out in a few months....

How is your sickly theillei doing?


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Thriving now. Thanks for asking.


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Great to hear! I was worried you were going to loose it!


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so i was...

Just thinking if it was sandy x occy I would think these fish would be much more common i in a place like Phuket, Thailand. im not as informed as you but I dont recall hearing of any from there.


anemone reef is mostly all occy and pacifica from what i can tell.


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I think all theillei that have been traced back to collection came from Cebu.


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Arati, I ignored Yuri on the introducing an ocellaris from PI until I realized what you just said. Now I get what he was trying to tell me. It is possible that the regional variants of PI are the reason for this particular hybrids success.


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Arati, I ignored Yuri on the introducing an ocellaris from PI until I realized what you just said. Now I get what he was trying to tell me. It is possible that the regional variants of PI are the reason for this particular hybrids success.
I was wondering why you were giving him a deaf ear on that?
Now it all makes sense.


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That realization occured to me about a month ago. I don't know of Yuri was saying it for the same reason I finall came to agree. I think his reasoning was more in line with keeping the line pure for breeding purposes.


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Is there any particular way I should introduce the occy to the skunk? I was planning on dividing the tank with plastic screening and cut a hole in it so the skunk can go back and forth.


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That realization occured to me about a month ago. I don't know of Yuri was saying it for the same reason I finall came to agree. I think his reasoning was more in line with keeping the line pure for breeding purposes.
I think that along with idea that a Cebu ocellaris would likely have more of a propensity to reproduce with another species.


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The point of my mentioning the clarkii trick was that if you have a fish in an anemone, others will observe this and follow. I think there's a pretty good chance your male sandy will jump right in a BTA.
The LFS where I got my nigripes has a lone sandy being hosted by a GBTA with an orange column. The contrast is really beautiful.


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After doing some googleing I found out that pink skunk clownfish can coexist with percs/occys in aquariums with out tearing into each other and wondered are orange skunks the same way? This could also explain why there are more leucs if pink skunks are one of the parents?

If they are similar is it possible that I could keep a occy pair and an orange skunk pair in the same tank and possibly have the orange skunk male fertilize some eggs from the occy's... But then again that's a small if.

O yea my tank is a 125 gal,just thought I would mention it before someone asks...


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