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Unread 03/19/2020, 07:42 PM   #1
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Madagascar White Margin Anemonefish

Got these guys today:







I had ordered a pair of these from Jordan on November 2nd of last year but due to a couple of snafus only got them now.


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Wow nice and who is Jordan


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Jordan Yallen, owner of Among the Reef, a high end fish and coral (online) store.

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Those are beautiful! I've never even heard of these anemonefish before.

Btw, are those mini haddoni carpets in each flowerpot??


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Unread 03/20/2020, 01:33 AM   #5
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Those are beautiful! I've never even heard of these anemonefish before.

Btw, are those mini haddoni carpets in each flowerpot??
There are actually 3 different species or subspecies of these, but only the first listed is currently recognized:

- A. latifasciatus (Northwest Madagascar, Mayotte, Comoros)
- A. cf. latifasciatus White Margin (Northeast Madagascar)
- A. cf. latifasciatus Yellow Margin (Southwest Madagascar)

The Anemone is a large green BTA (one, the other is a reflection).


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Unread 03/21/2020, 04:51 PM   #6
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More videos of the pair while they settle in:



Feeding:



These are 2 Pairs AC in Hayward had 2 weeks ago:




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Unread 03/21/2020, 07:11 PM   #7
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Looking good. Nice to see some of the unobtainable varieties. Good luck and hope they produce many more


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They eat now like there will be no tomorrow:



Unfortunately, it looks like I got to pull the anemone and treat it again...


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Unread 03/22/2020, 09:27 PM   #9
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Beautiful.
I was actually look at a pair on ATR but was too late.


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Unread 03/25/2020, 04:03 PM   #10
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How are they doing?

Is that Hikari mysis you are feeding them?


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Unread 03/25/2020, 05:42 PM   #11
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How are they doing?

Is that Hikari mysis you are feeding them?
Doing great. Just a bit rough on the poor anemone.
And yes, it's Hikari Mysis.

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Hikari mysis and pellets are some of my favorite.


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Unread 03/28/2020, 12:22 AM   #13
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I probably have to pull the poor anemone. These guys are way to rough on it.


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Hey Thomas, this is the pair I got. Doing good so far. Really like them.


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Unread 06/02/2020, 03:50 PM   #16
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Video of them in their new tank:



At some point they will get a larger tank but this was the only suitable one I had free right now.

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nice pair......


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nice pair......
Took me almost 4 months until they had a pair I liked.

Also, this is most likely a currently undescribed species. They are lumped in with A. latifasciatus but their coloration is distinctly different from the actual A. latifasciatus and the third, "Yellow Margin Latifasciatus"
They all share a distinctly tall and triangular-shaped hard-rayed dorsal fin that distinguishes them from all other Anemonefish species and especially the other species in the African/Indian clade.


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they are (Amphiprion allardi) evolution..........radiation........colonizing places where the Sea Currents transport Larvae..........

Evolution in the Allardīs /Latifasciatus group start with Allardīs in African Coats.......and Allardīs have White tail..........

Allardīs



Allardīs have a small yellow triangle at the base of caudal peduncle..........

curiouslly Madagascar Sea Currents make small recirculating pattersns and go from the South to North.........

Fishes from South madagascar have White tail with yellow borders....and the bars are a little thick than Allardīs....like Toliara Reef at South Madagascar........



see that the small yellow triangle founded in Allardīs...grows......and extend to the border of the tail......in these South Madagascar fishes....

then the Sea Currents goes to North........Comores and Northwest Madagascar........

in these places the tail turn to solid yellow color.......

Mayotte



then the thing happens.....as they go to Northeast Madagascar and Comores too.....some transluscent margin starts to appears.......and the bands start to be thicker....




also the soft part of the dorsal fin start to turn White.......this is from Mayotte....Comores....




finally at the region of Masoala National Park region...........you see the true White Margins......with a very thick bands........



the general coloratio is light brown........ersonally I like this brown coloration....is beautiful.......



all these fishes belongs to Allardīs/Latifasciatus Complex.......

its a gradative evolutionary process........that have the Sea Currents playing a big rule......

from African Coast North to South (Allardīs).......then to South to North in Madagascar (Latifasciatus)..........


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they are (Amphiprion allardi) evolution..........radiation........colonizing places where the Sea Currents transport Larvae..........

Evolution in the Allardīs /Latifasciatus group start with Allardīs in African Coats.......and Allardīs have White tail..........

Allardīs



Allardīs have a small yellow triangle at the base of caudal peduncle..........

curiouslly Madagascar Sea Currents make small recirculating pattersns and go from the South to North.........

Fishes from South madagascar have White tail with yellow borders....and the bars are a little thick than Allardīs....like Toliara Reef at South Madagascar........



see that the small yellow triangle founded in Allardīs...grows......and extend to the border of the tail......in these South Madagascar fishes....

then the Sea Currents goes to North........Comores and Northwest Madagascar........

in these places the tail turn to solid yellow color.......

Mayotte



then the thing happens.....as they go to Northeast Madagascar and Comores too.....some transluscent margin starts to appears.......and the bands start to be thicker....




also the soft part of the dorsal fin start to turn White.......this is from Mayotte....Comores....




finally at the region of Masoala National Park region...........you see the true White Margins......with a very thick bands........



the general coloratio is light brown........ersonally I like this brown coloration....is beautiful.......



all these fishes belongs to Allardīs/Latifasciatus Complex.......

its a gradative evolutionary process........that have the Sea Currents playing a big rule......

from African Coast North to South (Allardīs).......then to South to North in Madagascar (Latifasciatus)..........
Genetics and appearance say something different:



During the last major glacial periods there was a large island chain northeast of Madagascar which is now known as the Mascarene Plateau:



This sunken island chain seems to be where the African/Indian clade radiated out from after arriving from the coral triangle. This island chain would also have caused a significant change in sea currents which would have been significantly different from what we have today.
A. allardi and A. bicinctus are on one branch and the "latifasciatus" another which branced apart before allardi and bicinctus split.



At some point allardi formed hybrids with the north Madagascan "latifaciatus" and the resulting species is what we now have as the true latifasciatus in southwest Madagascar.

Appearance and genetics point to this route.


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I do not agree.......

I studied a lot Mascarene Plateau the birth place of (Amphiprion chrysogaster)......and (Amphiprion fuscocaudatus)........


Seychellesis granitic base island.....and Mauritius and Reunion is formed due the Reunion Hot Spot........


Allardīs belongs to the Latifasciatus Group........check again the esvolution os the tailpattern.............check the small yellow patch under Allardīs tail......




this yellow triangle at the base of caudal peduncle..........grows larger at Southwest Madagascar............turned into a yellow border....but the center of the tail remains White..........








only in the northwest and Comores Islands the tail becomes solid yellow.......

then in the Northeast Madagascar you will find the White Margins...specially in Masoala National Park region...........




and (A.bicinctus) belongs to (A. omanensis)......(A, nigripes)....and (A. chagosensis) group.........


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check this vídeo.....you can see the type of Southwest Madagascar.......togetjer with the yellow tail........founded mostly in Northwest Madagascar........and Comores..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Omf_cm3Z5Y

the fish founded in southwest....evolved to the yellow tail........

and the yellow tail......evolved to the White Margins......

this happens due sea currents......


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check this vídeo.....you can see the type of Southwest Madagascar.......togetjer with the yellow tail........founded mostly in Northwest Madagascar........and Comores..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Omf_cm3Z5Y

the fish founded in southwest....evolved to the yellow tail........

and the yellow tail......evolved to the White Margins......

this happens due sea currents......
You're assuming that today's existing species are ancestors of another species still existing today. But that is rather unlikely. The ancestors of the fish we see today have gone extinct/evolved into the species we see today. And you can't draw ancestry conclusions based on color alone. We would need much more detailed genetic research to know the finer details of anemonefish species relationships.
By color I would say omanensis might be a hybrid between bicinctus and nigripes, but the genetics speaks against that.

As for ocean currents - what you see today may be quite different from the currents at the time the ancestors of all these fish arrived where their descendants live now. The ice ages of the past did not just expose a lot of landmasses you don't see today but also caused different winds that further altered current flows.


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not only the color.........but juveniles aspect too......

if they show or not melanism according anemone species........

and Biogeography and Geology............

the thing start with Allardīs and end with White Margins.......this is a line.......

and this respond to the Sea Currents pattern...........

this is just for Allardīs and Madagascar fishes.......


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