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Old 12/15/2017, 08:02 PM   #3026
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There might be a Carribean varient of the garden eel! This won't excited anyone but Michael. Lol
According to the most credible of websites, Wikipedia says there is a species that can be found in the Caribbean.. still digging for that one.

Edit: brown garden eel

Heteroconger longissimus



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Old 12/15/2017, 09:42 PM   #3027
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Wow, really? Very interesting. I'll take a look. Those are so cool! Thanks for the hot tip!


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Old 12/15/2017, 10:21 PM   #3028
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I found this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqlLV6Ef2qo

So it sounds like they are totally doable, in the right tank, and possibly doable in less than ideal conditions. A species tank with a very deep sand bed, would be ideal for their long term health, which is the way I'd prefer to do it. I think I could make it work short term, but I don't think they'd be very happy. Shallower sand beds would work for a while, but they grow. Very tempting! I think I'll file these away for another tank, better suited to them, or if I were to redo this tank. Having a twelve inch deep sand bed would make cleaning the glass so much easier. So cool!

With my focus on plants and high nutrients, I should stick to bullet proof, 'beginner' type fish. Like chalk bass.


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Old 12/15/2017, 11:23 PM   #3029
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Sounds like you've got a plan thought out.
They're a beautiful fish (chalk bass) that I have considered. My concern with them is that basslets are a bit dominant/territorial in their behavior but I wonder what your investigation has turned up.

The Caribbean eel is on my dream stocking list too. I believe the poster of that video has wrote an article or two about eel keeping. If I remember, they had bought quite a few and a handful made it (I've heard a 50% initial death rate in captivity is to be expected). The remnant eels did great for a long time. From my reading, even though that genus of eels can adapt to shallower sand beds (L-shaping their body), they are very domicile and easily spooked. In a shallow tank they can easily damage themselves on the tank bottom when darting into the sand. Sounds like that is the leading case of death. Also, they secrete a mucus to firm up sand tunnels and coarse sand/crushed coral aggregates better.

edit: the video author's article cited an initial 75% death rate in captivity from a guy named Hemdal. Not sure I'd feel like an ethical reefkeeper buying such a species... I've read Hemdal's thoughts before and he is a firm believer that these species should NOT belong in the hobby.



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Old 12/15/2017, 11:58 PM   #3030
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It's funny, JZinCO, that plan just came to me as I was writing.

I read a couple of excellent articles on chalk bass. They do establish a dominance hierarchy but I think if they have enough room, it should work. After giving up on the blue reef chromis, this is my best shot at a blue(ish) Caribbean fish. I was thinking four or five. These fish have been on my list forever, but after I got the grammas, I figured it was too late. Now that I'm thinking about grammas again, it's a good time to reconsider them. Since they are the same size and shape, they really should be added all at once. If my previous experience with the gramma harem is any indication, things may be a little tense for a short time, then they will settle down and hopefully them and the grammas will revert to their natural behavior. The grammas should surf the current along the back wall, and the chalks should cruise along above the sand. I'll think it'll be super cool!

Someone said in an RC thread that they might eat grammas, but it looks to me that they are really the same size. I guess if they grew a lot faster it could happen, but it seems improbable. They're kind of an unsung hero in the hobby and considered very hardy-right up my alley.


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Old 12/16/2017, 01:56 PM   #3031
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Fewer and smaller sea hares to catch today. Just for fun, I decided to count how many I removed. Seventy. That number surprised me. I would then guess that I've removed over a thousand, over the last couple weeks. I will count them next time too, to hopefully confirm the numbers are going down. Now I wish I'd been counting them all along!

My caulerpa is all but gone. This is a plant that grew so fast in my tank I had to prune it weekly-sometimes more. Luckily, sea hares are specialized feeders. They haven't touched my other plants. I suspect I could have just let them do their thing until their food supply was exhausted. Then they would just die off. But the thought of a thousand sea hares dying in my tank isn't very appealing either. So I'll continue to remove them until they are gone. And, I'll try to save at least some of the caulerpa to regrow in my tank. As soon as predation is removed, they should grow back with a vengeance.

The 5200K metal halide bulb will be replaced. The wife didn't like it. I was getting used to the yellowish tone, but if I'm honest I wasn't crazy about it either. To me it best resembles the golden light you get at sunrise or sunset. I also wonder if it contributed to my diatom bloom. A quick visit to lightbulbs dot com, and I found a 7500K bulb that looks promising. With shipping it was under 30 bucks. We'll see how it turns out, but on the color temp graph, it looks to be cool white to slightly blue. I think this will be quite pleasing to the eye, and will simulate a little deeper water. With my new plan to get some Chalk Bass, I think this light will really pop their colors, without looking too disco. It's funny how we like warmer light in our homes and cooler light in our tanks.


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Old Yesterday, 01:58 PM   #3032
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Another thought on garden eels: I looked at pictures of them in the wild. Not a single picture showed them in seagrass. It was surprising to me, since they resemble it. This leads me to believe they don't inhabit those areas, so there's another reason for me not to try them, with my current tank situation. I won't rule them out in the future, since my 30 inch deep tank would easily accommodate a very deep san bed. After another fun day of 'X-ing' aiptasias the thought of redoing my tank has occurred to me…

For now, seagrasses and macros remain my focus. I hope to hear of someone trying them, so we can all learn from their experience!


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Old Yesterday, 06:49 PM   #3033
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I bet the seagrass root structures would make burrowing difficult for a garden eel in the wild.

Can you post a 'good' picture of one of the sea hares?? That last picture you posted that supposedly has a sea hare in it was like looking for Waldo, but you don't know what Waldo looks like!
I'm sure you probably dream about them being as you pull hundreds out every day, but for those without the experience, we (I) want to see one!


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If I can find one big enough I will post a pic. But it's unlikely. At this point, they're mostly a quarter to a half inch long. Pretty much all of them are on the back wall, so they're hard to see-and photograph. Basically, they're a small, green nudibranch, that blends in with caulerpa. I do find a bigger one occasionally, so who knows.

Today was a nem hunt day. Yay! I X-ed a lot of them, but I wonder if I'll ever completely eradicate them. Since it is Sunday, I allowed myself time to do repeated sessions. This helps because you never get them all in one go. You come back ten minutes later, and you find more. You have to be relentless. Multiple sessions a day, for multiple days in a row is probably required. Even I may not be obsessive-compulsive enough…

Sorry for posting about this stuff yet again. I'm tired of it too.

Shortly after new years, I hope to get chalk basses, royal grammas, and some new manatee grass.


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Old Yesterday, 11:55 PM   #3035
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How do you export the hares? Just siphon them out?
I know you probably have some sort of weird tools in the basement. Lol
A petri dish? I know you have a magnifying glass!
Assuming you own a smartphone... lol
Take me a picture through the magnifying glass!

Can you better define “shortly” after New Years? Not trying to rush you or anything.. haha


I think aiptasia is like caulerpa. It’s something you can never fully get rid of. Once you get it, your screwed.. that’s how I felt with the caulerpa in my 26g. That’s of course assuming it’s something you don’t want. Not many people want aiptasia..


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