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02/20/2019, 12:06 PM | #226 | |
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The vermetids in the display tank are the filter... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles |
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02/20/2019, 12:40 PM | #227 | |
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I'm thinking about re-investigating fenbendazole so stay tuned. Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
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02/20/2019, 12:59 PM | #228 |
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I am not sure the nets are what we think they are. How long would it take after an increase in flow before I should see them show up? Or maybe I should move a rock with them on to the sump to see if they survive there?
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02/20/2019, 01:43 PM | #229 |
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I had them grow on the intake pile whereas the water falls down to the sump , how in the hell can attach to that??
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02/21/2019, 06:14 AM | #230 |
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I don't know how true it is, but I read an article that said the eggs hatch in the shell of an adult snail and crawl out from there to find a new place to attach.
Not sure if I believe that or not because that would suggest they would spread outward, and ive seen them pop up clear across the tank without showing up in the middle (6 foot tank). I dont recall reading anything about how they reproduce or how often/ how long it takes. Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
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02/21/2019, 06:19 AM | #231 | |
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And its hard to say. But what are you going to do if they do show up? You can't cut down on flow in your tank enough without it having catastrophic consequences for your corals. Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
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02/21/2019, 12:24 PM | #232 |
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02/21/2019, 09:48 PM | #233 |
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Fenbendazole what is it ?
Hope it works
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02/22/2019, 12:50 AM | #234 |
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Google fenbendazole use against hydroids. There is a big thread on it on the other forum where a couple users say they had success against vermetids with it all though that was not their goal. If you back to page 1 or 2 I tried it early on but may not have let it work at high enough concentrations for long enough. I have a few other application ideas I'll get into when I try it.
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02/22/2019, 08:12 AM | #235 |
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Nope. I’ve used fenbendazole about 5 times now trying to get rid of hydroids, vermetids didn’t miss a beat. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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02/22/2019, 08:32 AM | #236 | |
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What was your source of fenbendazole? Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
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02/22/2019, 03:09 PM | #237 |
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I bought this:
Thomas Labs Fish Bendazole 250mg... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009TAQ538...p_mob_ap_share Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles |
02/23/2019, 08:32 PM | #238 | |
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A trend I noticed was that people towards the end were seeing both snails unaffected and issues with hydroids not dying completely. The OP originally used safeguard 4. And separated out the granules. So I'm wondering if its something specific to that. I'm honestly thinking of trying to not separate the granules and dose the complete mixture at the approproate quantities on a trial scale. Wondering if there is something in the powder that kills them. Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
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02/23/2019, 09:05 PM | #239 |
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Set up a 5-10 gallons tank with some VS. And test it
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02/23/2019, 09:06 PM | #240 |
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Sorry double post
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02/23/2019, 09:29 PM | #241 |
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That's the plan
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02/24/2019, 07:42 AM | #242 |
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This may well be "correlation without causation", but I thought I'd note this just in case someone else has a similar experience. I used to have these irritating buggers in my 50g reef. I think I've the type that don't reproduce all that fast because they don't seem to reach plague proportions, but I could nevertheless count 10 to 15 at any one time in my rock.
That changed when I brought home a pair of leopard wrasses about 2 years ago (in this case, ornate leopard wrasses - macropharyngodon ornatus). I never gave it much thought until I read through this thread last night, but the vermetid population in the tank crashed shortly after adding the wrasses. There are still a few in the sump and overflow, but zero in the tank itself. |
02/24/2019, 09:17 AM | #243 |
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My max dose was 2.8mg/gal. Right now I just finished dose 2 of a planned 3 doses 2 weeks apart at 2.6 mg/gal. This last time, I stirred up a bunch of detritus in the sump when I dosed, hoping maybe the vermetids would throw out their webs and accidentally catch some of the fenbendazole particulates as well.
I can’t really say on the snails, as I don’t keep any. That’s another one of my issues, I have some kind of opportunistically predatory whelk that reproduces and will kill any other snails I try to put in the system... I can say that this dose is enough to adversely affect starfish... they will either completely shut down and go dormant, or fall apart. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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05/28/2019, 03:34 PM | #244 |
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Any positive feedback?
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05/29/2019, 05:50 AM | #245 |
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I tried the bumblebee snails... and they have been noticeably effective! There are several areas where I've noticed a massive difference pre- and post-snail addition. Even the small shells are gone. Only added a dozen so I think I'll get about 30 more of them and just give them some time. It seems they only go for the small ones but it's possible I just haven't noticed the larger ones being consumed. Regardless, the large vermetids are easy enough to manually remove.
So like I wrote earlier, had a friend with the same experience. I am confirming the same behavior from the bumblebee snails. They do work! Biological control, no need for chemicals, remove them if they become a problem for any other organisms (easy enough). Worth giving them a try and sharing your experience. Note: I added them about two months ago or more. So you have to be patient! |
05/30/2019, 06:13 AM | #246 |
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One thing that I've notice with my tank is that the vermatid snail population has stalled when I took my auto feeder offline. I have pellets in there and fed 2 times a day plus frozen food. Now that I'm no longer feeding pellets no new vermatids. Will only be putting it back online for extended absences.
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05/30/2019, 01:46 PM | #247 |
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Please keep us updated
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05/30/2019, 03:47 PM | #248 |
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for what its worth, I had a tank 125gallon that was covered in them and they all disappeared within a month or two after I added a copperband butterfly to clean up a couple aptasia I had.
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05/30/2019, 05:13 PM | #249 | |
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There are actually a few snails that are specialized in going after the large vermetid snails: Muricid snails consume the vermetid gastropod, Dendropoma maximum, and use empty shells for reproduction Though I doubt these are at this point readily found in the trade.
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05/31/2019, 07:11 AM | #250 |
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I have not seen the bumblebee snails go after any other types of snails. They are MUCH smaller in my tank so I don't know if that matters or not. I assume they will go after some other fan worms, etc. Maybe not. I'll have to check those as I know I've got some patches of those tiny fan worms, etc.
The bumblebee snails are super slow. I rarely see them move at all. Guessing the larger snails would easily escape them or at least not get killed by them. |
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