Cold/Temperate Water Reef - Page 3

jgarrison · 09/11/2006, 08:48 PM

If you have a chance go the quebec city aquarium they have a huge cold atlantic tank.

gastone · 09/24/2006, 11:36 AM

Steve,

what do you use to maintain the required temp?

Garrett.

steveweast · 09/25/2006, 09:05 AM

just a 1/2 hp Pacific Coast chiller. It runs about 20 minutes....then off for about an hour in summer.

coldwater reef · 10/01/2006, 03:45 PM

I can supply coldwater flora and fauna from the puget sound...contact me if you want stuff.

steveweast · 10/01/2006, 07:42 PM

Are you Will ? if so, good to see you here. Ryan and I are looking forward to hooking up with you again at Skyline, Burrows, Deception, or Neah....I could use a few more little things.

coldwater reef · 10/01/2006, 10:14 PM

Yeppers Steve I'm Will. I finally got the bugs worked out and my coldwater reef is up and running complete with live rock and 3 warbonnets (nugator) so far. I'll have the boat up and running here this week. Also I have ordered a few items which will make collecting real quick and easy.

steveweast · 10/02/2006, 08:51 AM

Welcome Will....I would like to see your system on my next trip up there....which should be soon. I'm looking to catch a few warbonnets and grunts if I can find them....but, what I really want are more strawberries like the ones I posted on the first page....those came out of Neah Bay. If you see a second source, let me know. Neah will be a PITA in winter.

coldwater reef · 10/02/2006, 12:29 PM

Hey Steve what's PITA mean?
Anyhow, yes come on up. I think DP would have plenty of strawberries. DP is one of those places where I like to dive with a group. Hope to see you up here soon!

steveweast · 10/02/2006, 09:01 PM

PITA = pain in the (rear end).....The last time Jeff and Rob were at DP, there were only small brooding anemones (which kinda look like strawberries)....no true strawberries were seen. I hope that they are there.....but were just missed.

boomsticks · 10/03/2006, 12:36 PM

I think this thread is great! I have had a Temperate/Cold system up for about 5 months now. All started when I saved a "baby" lobster from three seagulls. Now I have a winter flounder, hermit crab (the only one who surrvived the wraith of the rock crab), mummichog or saltwater minnow, and a rather large lobster (He eats alot and has molted once already!) I live in NH by the seacoast so there isn't much choice to take here, no strawberry anems or anything like that, but there still is some neat stuff...gotta be careful with a jerk for a lobster! LOL.

coldwater reef · 10/12/2006, 12:47 PM

Well folks, I went down to the marina the other night and collected a dozen coon striped shrimp and a couple metridium anemones. Everything made it into the tank just fine and after an hour of observation I went to bed. I woke up at about 3am to a strange noise from the fishroom. SO I go check it out to find a clogged overflow. Half of the shrimp had found their way into the overflow during the night and got stuck. I had to crawl under the stand and disconnect the hose and clear the overflow. The shrimp in and of themselves were not the problem however. A medium sized snail plus the shrimp is what did the job. Needless to say I was a little irritated! Anyhow, everything is back in order, I'm working on some way to make the system fail safe. For the moment however, no more large shrimp!
Today I'm planning a shore dive in the burroughs channel along the north shore wall, I'm after a grunt sculpin or two, plus whatever else catches my attention down there. Maybe a small octopus would be cool. I'll report on that afterwards....

acroboy · 10/12/2006, 01:39 PM

To me there is nothing more interesting than keeping native marine aquaria no matter where one lives. Catching and keeping has so much more to it than going to a shop and just pointing to livestock. I think most people don't keep temperate aquariums because of the cost of chilling the water. Though the cooler water fish are so interesting and unusual.

DrBegalke · 10/12/2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by acroboy
To me there is nothing more interesting than keeping native marine aquaria no matter where one lives.

I wonder what I can catch here in the Sonoran Desert? Maybe some fossils? LOL. Great thread, someday I will set up a cold water system.

acroboy · 10/12/2006, 01:52 PM

theres always the rivers

coldwater reef · 10/12/2006, 03:03 PM

The Puget Sound has some really interesting life in it, there is more biodiversity here than anywhere else so I've heard. The fish aren't as colorful as the tropicals, but make up for it with their unusual appearances and habits. The inverts, such as anemones etc., I would put up against all the tropical reef animals! Another plus point is that I get to combine scuba diving with aquaria, the two things really go together. Trying to get out for a dive today.
People always seem to balk at the cost of a chiller, however all in all, a chiller is less expensive than is a lighting system for a tropical reef tank. I got a few deals and made some of my own stuff, but all in all I've set up a 100 gallon coldwater system for less than $1,000 total. I've got much more than that in my tropical setup. Another thing is stocking the tank, free for me, if you don't count the cost of my dive gear for coldwater diving. Anyhow, once you have the gear, going for a dive costs less than 5 bucks, and in one dive I can collect lots and lots of things. It's like going to the fish store and getting all you want for free...

acroboy · 10/12/2006, 05:03 PM

I know exactly how you feel. We do get Caribbean tropicals from the Gulf Stream as well as temperate species as well. Now with the addition of lionfish it like a free for all. But the personality of the temperate fish is unrivaled. Seahorses for those of us who have had the experience and time to care for them were like going out and picking weeds. They were everywhere. There is so much more to fish keeping then color.

steveweast · 10/12/2006, 06:52 PM

Good Luck Will. I'd like to get up there with you and catch a few more grunts for my system in the near future. I also heard from Jeff that there are baby king crabs this time of year....you know, the box looking crabs that are related to king crabs. The babies are the size of a quarter and bright red. I'm trying to get to Seiku maybe next week sometime.

coldwater reef · 10/12/2006, 08:46 PM

Thanks Steve...I just wrote up a collection report for the coldwaterfish group. For everyone else, well I didn't get any grunt sculpins but the cnidaria were good. Yes I know about the puget sound king crab, lopholithodes mandtii I believe it's called. I have found them before. They aren't too common, I'd feel really lucky to get one. I know where I can find the larger ones but we want the juveniles. Anyhow let me know when ya'll want to come up so I can have the skiff ready...

skylsdale · 10/12/2006, 10:39 PM

Hey Steve, what nudibranchs are you managing to keep successfully? I've researched a few, but all the ones available in the Sound seemed to have some pretty specific diets, and I was worried wouldn't be able to be sustained all that well in a captive system.

steveweast · 10/13/2006, 09:46 AM

I've only tried two. I generally avoid nudibranchs as I do in my warm water reef. The first one I tried was a yellow nudibranch (archidoris odhneri) that I see mostly on kelp plants. Well, they did not fare too well since a few of my starfish thought they were candy. The second nudibranch that I tried was dirona albolineata. It's a beautiful nudibranch that has been doing ok for about six months now. I'm sure it's probably feeding off of the bryozoans in the tank. I've read that they also feed off of small snails....which I have many of. Here he is :

skylsdale · 10/13/2006, 11:06 AM

Thanks for the info. If you happen to find and try some Hermissenda crassicornis, I'd be interested to hear if your starfish leave them alone (I think fish tend to stay away from them).

ReefRascals · 10/13/2006, 03:27 PM

Tagging. Great dialog guys!

steveweast · 10/13/2006, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skylsdale
Thanks for the info. If you happen to find and try some Hermissenda crassicornis, I'd be interested to hear if your starfish leave them alone (I think fish tend to stay away from them).

I wouldn't mind trying a Hermissenda crassicornis .....there is no better looking nudi out there. They are out there though....I just haven't come across one yet. Hey Will, where are they most likely found ?

DrBegalke · 10/13/2006, 03:58 PM

That nudibranch is awesome! I better unsubsribe this thread before I spend half of my medical loans on a cold water system!

Dale Carlisle · 10/13/2006, 08:23 PM

Tagging along fellas

I'm just putting the final touches on my fishroom in the garage. I plan to set up a tidal zone tank. I am currently weaving my way through the Fed./Prov. bureaucracy re collecting livestock

Ordinarily I'd just do my thing but a lot of others want to know what the rules are as well so.. I'm the guinea pig.
I see that you guys are running chillers with the intention of maintaining constant coldwater temps. What are your thoughts on an ambient temp tank (My garage runs from lows 40's in winter to mid 60's in summer). I've researched the annual surface temps off our coast and they closely match those #'s. (Keep in mind that I plan a tidal zone tank). I'm planning a fairly large set up and I think running ambient temps will reduce humidity concerns plus reduce my energy input.
I'll try to edit in some links I've found on the subject.

Species list

Lighthouse temps

09/24/2006, 11:36 AM	#52
gastone Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 448	Steve, what do you use to maintain the required temp? Garrett. __________________ I'm your huckleberry. Current Tank Info: 42Hex, 250W Radium in a lumenarc mini + 2x24W T5 Blue+ and 2x24W T5 actinic connected to a 30 gallon zoanthid tank currently lit by 4x39W T5 (Actinic, blue+, pro color, blue+)

10/03/2006, 12:36 PM	#60
boomsticks Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Good ol NH Posts: 547	I think this thread is great! I have had a Temperate/Cold system up for about 5 months now. All started when I saved a "baby" lobster from three seagulls. Now I have a winter flounder, hermit crab (the only one who surrvived the wraith of the rock crab), mummichog or saltwater minnow, and a rather large lobster (He eats alot and has molted once already!) I live in NH by the seacoast so there isn't much choice to take here, no strawberry anems or anything like that, but there still is some neat stuff...gotta be careful with a jerk for a lobster! LOL. __________________ Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive anyway. Current Tank Info: 55 gal reef, 24 cube

10/12/2006, 12:47 PM	#61
coldwater reef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Anacortes, Wa Posts: 49	Disaster! Well folks, I went down to the marina the other night and collected a dozen coon striped shrimp and a couple metridium anemones. Everything made it into the tank just fine and after an hour of observation I went to bed. I woke up at about 3am to a strange noise from the fishroom. SO I go check it out to find a clogged overflow. Half of the shrimp had found their way into the overflow during the night and got stuck. I had to crawl under the stand and disconnect the hose and clear the overflow. The shrimp in and of themselves were not the problem however. A medium sized snail plus the shrimp is what did the job. Needless to say I was a little irritated! Anyhow, everything is back in order, I'm working on some way to make the system fail safe. For the moment however, no more large shrimp! Today I'm planning a shore dive in the burroughs channel along the north shore wall, I'm after a grunt sculpin or two, plus whatever else catches my attention down there. Maybe a small octopus would be cool. I'll report on that afterwards....

10/13/2006, 03:58 PM	#74
DrBegalke Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Phoenix area, AZ Posts: 2,599	That nudibranch is awesome! I better unsubsribe this thread before I spend half of my medical loans on a cold water system! __________________ ~Jason Begalke Current Tank Info: Latest project: JBJ Cubey

09/11/2006, 08:48 PM	#51
jgarrison Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Albany NY Posts: 231	If you have a chance go the quebec city aquarium they have a huge cold atlantic tank.

09/25/2006, 09:05 AM	#53
steveweast Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Portland,Or Posts: 1,079	just a 1/2 hp Pacific Coast chiller. It runs about 20 minutes....then off for about an hour in summer.

10/01/2006, 03:45 PM	#54
coldwater reef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Anacortes, Wa Posts: 49	I can supply coldwater flora and fauna from the puget sound...contact me if you want stuff.

10/01/2006, 07:42 PM	#55
steveweast Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Portland,Or Posts: 1,079	Are you Will ? if so, good to see you here. Ryan and I are looking forward to hooking up with you again at Skyline, Burrows, Deception, or Neah....I could use a few more little things.

10/01/2006, 10:14 PM	#56
coldwater reef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Anacortes, Wa Posts: 49	Yeppers Steve I'm Will. I finally got the bugs worked out and my coldwater reef is up and running complete with live rock and 3 warbonnets (nugator) so far. I'll have the boat up and running here this week. Also I have ordered a few items which will make collecting real quick and easy.

10/02/2006, 08:51 AM	#57
steveweast Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Portland,Or Posts: 1,079	Welcome Will....I would like to see your system on my next trip up there....which should be soon. I'm looking to catch a few warbonnets and grunts if I can find them....but, what I really want are more strawberries like the ones I posted on the first page....those came out of Neah Bay. If you see a second source, let me know. Neah will be a PITA in winter.

10/02/2006, 12:29 PM	#58
coldwater reef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Anacortes, Wa Posts: 49	Hey Steve what's PITA mean? Anyhow, yes come on up. I think DP would have plenty of strawberries. DP is one of those places where I like to dive with a group. Hope to see you up here soon!

10/02/2006, 09:01 PM	#59
steveweast Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Portland,Or Posts: 1,079	PITA = pain in the (rear end).....The last time Jeff and Rob were at DP, there were only small brooding anemones (which kinda look like strawberries)....no true strawberries were seen. I hope that they are there.....but were just missed.

10/12/2006, 01:39 PM	#62
acroboy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: long island n.y. Posts: 191	To me there is nothing more interesting than keeping native marine aquaria no matter where one lives. Catching and keeping has so much more to it than going to a shop and just pointing to livestock. I think most people don't keep temperate aquariums because of the cost of chilling the water. Though the cooler water fish are so interesting and unusual.

10/12/2006, 01:52 PM	#64
acroboy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: long island n.y. Posts: 191	theres always the rivers

10/12/2006, 03:03 PM	#65
coldwater reef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Anacortes, Wa Posts: 49	The Puget Sound has some really interesting life in it, there is more biodiversity here than anywhere else so I've heard. The fish aren't as colorful as the tropicals, but make up for it with their unusual appearances and habits. The inverts, such as anemones etc., I would put up against all the tropical reef animals! Another plus point is that I get to combine scuba diving with aquaria, the two things really go together. Trying to get out for a dive today. People always seem to balk at the cost of a chiller, however all in all, a chiller is less expensive than is a lighting system for a tropical reef tank. I got a few deals and made some of my own stuff, but all in all I've set up a 100 gallon coldwater system for less than $1,000 total. I've got much more than that in my tropical setup. Another thing is stocking the tank, free for me, if you don't count the cost of my dive gear for coldwater diving. Anyhow, once you have the gear, going for a dive costs less than 5 bucks, and in one dive I can collect lots and lots of things. It's like going to the fish store and getting all you want for free...

10/12/2006, 05:03 PM	#66
acroboy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: long island n.y. Posts: 191	I know exactly how you feel. We do get Caribbean tropicals from the Gulf Stream as well as temperate species as well. Now with the addition of lionfish it like a free for all. But the personality of the temperate fish is unrivaled. Seahorses for those of us who have had the experience and time to care for them were like going out and picking weeds. They were everywhere. There is so much more to fish keeping then color.

10/12/2006, 06:52 PM	#67
steveweast Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Portland,Or Posts: 1,079	Good Luck Will. I'd like to get up there with you and catch a few more grunts for my system in the near future. I also heard from Jeff that there are baby king crabs this time of year....you know, the box looking crabs that are related to king crabs. The babies are the size of a quarter and bright red. I'm trying to get to Seiku maybe next week sometime.

10/12/2006, 08:46 PM	#68
coldwater reef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Anacortes, Wa Posts: 49	Thanks Steve...I just wrote up a collection report for the coldwaterfish group. For everyone else, well I didn't get any grunt sculpins but the cnidaria were good. Yes I know about the puget sound king crab, lopholithodes mandtii I believe it's called. I have found them before. They aren't too common, I'd feel really lucky to get one. I know where I can find the larger ones but we want the juveniles. Anyhow let me know when ya'll want to come up so I can have the skiff ready...

10/12/2006, 10:39 PM	#69
skylsdale Reefer Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Central WA Posts: 2,220	Hey Steve, what nudibranchs are you managing to keep successfully? I've researched a few, but all the ones available in the Sound seemed to have some pretty specific diets, and I was worried wouldn't be able to be sustained all that well in a captive system.

10/13/2006, 09:46 AM	#70
steveweast Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Portland,Or Posts: 1,079	I've only tried two. I generally avoid nudibranchs as I do in my warm water reef. The first one I tried was a yellow nudibranch (archidoris odhneri) that I see mostly on kelp plants. Well, they did not fare too well since a few of my starfish thought they were candy. The second nudibranch that I tried was dirona albolineata. It's a beautiful nudibranch that has been doing ok for about six months now. I'm sure it's probably feeding off of the bryozoans in the tank. I've read that they also feed off of small snails....which I have many of. Here he is :

10/13/2006, 11:06 AM	#71
skylsdale Reefer Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Central WA Posts: 2,220	Thanks for the info. If you happen to find and try some Hermissenda crassicornis, I'd be interested to hear if your starfish leave them alone (I think fish tend to stay away from them).

10/13/2006, 03:27 PM	#72
ReefRascals Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 145	Tagging. Great dialog guys!

10/13/2006, 08:23 PM	#75
Dale Carlisle Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westcoast of Canada Posts: 66	Tagging along fellas I'm just putting the final touches on my fishroom in the garage. I plan to set up a tidal zone tank. I am currently weaving my way through the Fed./Prov. bureaucracy re collecting livestock Ordinarily I'd just do my thing but a lot of others want to know what the rules are as well so.. I'm the guinea pig. I see that you guys are running chillers with the intention of maintaining constant coldwater temps. What are your thoughts on an ambient temp tank (My garage runs from lows 40's in winter to mid 60's in summer). I've researched the annual surface temps off our coast and they closely match those #'s. (Keep in mind that I plan a tidal zone tank). I'm planning a fairly large set up and I think running ambient temps will reduce humidity concerns plus reduce my energy input. I'll try to edit in some links I've found on the subject. Species list Lighthouse temps