Trouble cycling quarantine tank

nycman · 03/17/2018, 08:14 PM

I set up an IM Nuvo 20 (gallon) tank two months ago, filled with Red Sea salt mixed RO/DI water, been doing weekly water changes and RO/DI ATO. I put three large dry pukani rocks from BRS in it, some live sand, and began the Red Sea biological filtration liquid dosing (for starting a reef tank).

I put 2 damsels in the tank to help it cycle as well.

Since then, testing weekly, my ammonia has always been elevated (.25ppm to .50ppm). My nitrates have been zero, and my Nitrates elevated to .30ppm or higher, sometimes much higher.

I have started many saltwater tanks over last 20 years, almost always with store bought live rock and have never really experienced a real cycle with elevated measurements of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.

Today both damsels died so I tested ammonia - 0.50ppm (same range), nitrate (>100 ppm), but nitrites were 2 to 5 ppm (off the charts). This after two months of liquid bacterial dosing and having fish in the tank living and being fed, with dry reef rock.

How can this be after two full months of having fish in a tank with liverock?

Anotherplanet · 03/17/2018, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nycman

I set up an IM Nuvo 20 (gallon) tank two months ago, filled with Red Sea salt mixed RO/DI water, been doing weekly water changes and RO/DI ATO. I put three large dry pukani rocks from BRS in it, some live sand, and began the Red Sea biological filtration liquid dosing (for starting a reef tank).

I put 2 damsels in the tank to help it cycle as well.

Since then, testing weekly, my ammonia has always been elevated (.25ppm to .50ppm). My nitrates have been zero, and my Nitrates elevated to .30ppm or higher, sometimes much higher.

I have started many saltwater tanks over last 20 years, almost always with store bought live rock and have never really experienced a real cycle with elevated measurements of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.

Today both damsels died so I tested ammonia - 0.50ppm (same range), nitrate (>100 ppm), but nitrites were 2 to 5 ppm (off the charts). This after two months of liquid bacterial dosing and having fish in the tank living and being fed, with dry reef rock.

How can this be after two full months of having fish in a tank with liverock?

I’m not a fan of the “kill fish” approach. I will happily give you instructions on how to properly cycle your tank. If you follow these steps, you will have success.

1) don’t do any more water changes.
2) buy dr. Tim’s reef bacteria and dose.
3) you can increase the water temp to assist in acceleration of bacteria growth.
3) let the tank run this way for a week.
4) Then purchase Dr. Tim’s Ammonia Chloride and dose following the instruction.
5) then test the water every 24 hours.
6) once the water reaches 0 ammonia, then dose ammonia again, and test at 12 hours and then 24 hours. If your ammonia is 0 again, then your rock has cycled.
7) another dose of ammonia and another test wouldn’t hurt.
9) now you can slowly begin adding fish. Remember to only add 1-2 at a time. Your tank needs to adjust to the bio-load.

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Anotherplanet · 03/17/2018, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anotherplanet

I’m not a fan of the “kill fish” approach. I will happily give you instructions on how to properly cycle your tank. If you follow these steps, you will have success.

1) don’t do any more water changes.
2) buy dr. Tim’s reef bacteria and dose.
3) you can increase the water temp to assist in acceleration of bacteria growth.
3) let the tank run this way for a week.
4) Then purchase Dr. Tim’s Ammonia Chloride and dose following the instruction.
5) then test the water every 24 hours.
6) once the water reaches 0 ammonia, then dose ammonia again, and test at 12 hours and then 24 hours. If your ammonia is 0 again, then your rock has cycled.
7) another dose of ammonia and another test wouldn’t hurt.
9) now you can slowly begin adding fish. Remember to only add 1-2 at a time. Your tank needs to adjust to the bio-load.

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If you follow these steps with patients. Follow the bacteria and ammonia chloride dosing & testing instructions And add fish slowly. Then I can guarantee you will have success. Just don’t start adding coral until your tank has established. You may experience an algae bloom. Keep testing your phosphates and once you feel that you have a grasp on your water parameters and control them. Then head in over to Lazy’s Frag House and start with a single coral and go from there....do it all slow and you will have success!

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DesertReefT4r · 03/17/2018, 09:31 PM

Yeah first off dont do water changes during the cycle. MB7 and Bio Spira has always worked for me to boost bacteria when cyxling a new tank. I have never used Tim's but hear good things from other members.

Tastee · 03/18/2018, 01:17 AM

When I setup my QT I seeded it with some dead rock I had left in my sump for a few weeks and then put some of the new ceramic noodles from it into my sump for 2 weeks before returning them to the QT. I also added some DT water to the new salt mix and phantom fed every 3 or 4 days, as well as adding bacteria twice a week or so. I tested every day or two to ensure I saw a cycle start, which it did. From then on I only added bacteria at a water change and for the one I did 2 days ago didn’t even bother. The first fish went in about week 4 and 5 fish have been through it since then. Ammonia only ever went to 0.25, Nitrites stayed zero and Nitrates rose a little but were dealt with by the water changes as fish went in and out.

swhobbie1 · 03/18/2018, 07:28 PM

Agree with AnotherPlanet... I recently cycled a tank by dropping 2-3 pellets in it daily, no water changes, no skimmer, just time. Was taking longer than I wanted so I bought some Fritz Zyme TurboStart 900 which I never used before. It was close to ending it cycle I think but next day after this stuff it was done cycling.

nycman · 03/19/2018, 08:59 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Ordered the Dr Jim's from BRS. Also, forgot to mention that I have been skimming since the beginning, using that quasi effective IM nano skimmer that fits in the Nuvos. Has to be the world's smallest skimmer. I have read mixed views on whether one should skim during the cycle.

03/17/2018, 08:14 PM	#1
nycman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: New York City Posts: 199	Trouble cycling quarantine tank I set up an IM Nuvo 20 (gallon) tank two months ago, filled with Red Sea salt mixed RO/DI water, been doing weekly water changes and RO/DI ATO. I put three large dry pukani rocks from BRS in it, some live sand, and began the Red Sea biological filtration liquid dosing (for starting a reef tank). I put 2 damsels in the tank to help it cycle as well. Since then, testing weekly, my ammonia has always been elevated (.25ppm to .50ppm). My nitrates have been zero, and my Nitrates elevated to .30ppm or higher, sometimes much higher. I have started many saltwater tanks over last 20 years, almost always with store bought live rock and have never really experienced a real cycle with elevated measurements of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Today both damsels died so I tested ammonia - 0.50ppm (same range), nitrate (>100 ppm), but nitrites were 2 to 5 ppm (off the charts). This after two months of liquid bacterial dosing and having fish in the tank living and being fed, with dry reef rock. How can this be after two full months of having fish in a tank with liverock? __________________ 72x26x24 Miracles rimless with ReefSavvy ghost overflow 4xMitras LX7206 / Lifereef sump, skimmer and fuge 302 Aquatics algae scrubber / JBJ 1/3 HP Chiller Aqua UV 28W

03/17/2018, 09:31 PM	#4
DesertReefT4r Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Mesa Az Posts: 771	Yeah first off dont do water changes during the cycle. MB7 and Bio Spira has always worked for me to boost bacteria when cyxling a new tank. I have never used Tim's but hear good things from other members. __________________ Tank history 29g tropical ,55g cichlid tank, 20H softy reef, 29g mixed reef, 20H brackish goby & puffer tank, 55g mixed reef, 6g Nanocube softy lps reef, 40B sps reef, 75g sps reef, 75g sps reef in bu Current Tank Info: 75g sps reef build in the works.

03/19/2018, 08:59 PM	#7
nycman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: New York City Posts: 199	Thanks for the feedback. Ordered the Dr Jim's from BRS. Also, forgot to mention that I have been skimming since the beginning, using that quasi effective IM nano skimmer that fits in the Nuvos. Has to be the world's smallest skimmer. I have read mixed views on whether one should skim during the cycle. __________________ 72x26x24 Miracles rimless with ReefSavvy ghost overflow 4xMitras LX7206 / Lifereef sump, skimmer and fuge 302 Aquatics algae scrubber / JBJ 1/3 HP Chiller Aqua UV 28W

03/18/2018, 01:17 AM	#5
Tastee Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 277	When I setup my QT I seeded it with some dead rock I had left in my sump for a few weeks and then put some of the new ceramic noodles from it into my sump for 2 weeks before returning them to the QT. I also added some DT water to the new salt mix and phantom fed every 3 or 4 days, as well as adding bacteria twice a week or so. I tested every day or two to ensure I saw a cycle start, which it did. From then on I only added bacteria at a water change and for the one I did 2 days ago didn’t even bother. The first fish went in about week 4 and 5 fish have been through it since then. Ammonia only ever went to 0.25, Nitrites stayed zero and Nitrates rose a little but were dealt with by the water changes as fish went in and out.

03/18/2018, 07:28 PM	#6
swhobbie1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Posts: 402	Agree with AnotherPlanet... I recently cycled a tank by dropping 2-3 pellets in it daily, no water changes, no skimmer, just time. Was taking longer than I wanted so I bought some Fritz Zyme TurboStart 900 which I never used before. It was close to ending it cycle I think but next day after this stuff it was done cycling.