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Old 07/01/2018, 11:30 PM   #76
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Kevin, I wanted to lower the water level and I wanted to lower the overflow to match, so water could flow in and out. It works well as an in tank refugium, as well as a good place to put high light loving macros.

I'm rooting for your success with plants! I'm sold on CO2 for sure. Plants are challenging. They need a lot of Carbon. 550-30-1.


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Old 07/02/2018, 05:16 AM   #77
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Let us know how that turns out.
I had asked "Mr Tyree" if I needed to supplement my sponges.

"Once the cryptic zone is established, some additions may be necessary. We are still experimenting with the best ways to supplement sponges."

So down the road I will need to add some stuff and any info you get about the water test would be cataloged for the future. I'm on rain water, but if we dont get any rain soon its gonna mean I have to buy well water. It goes straight into tank.

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Don’t buy just any well water! I will give you some of my well water with TDS > 1000 ppm.


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Old 07/07/2018, 09:17 PM   #78
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Update. I got a little bit done today. I got the overflow/refugium and the fake wall covering it, cut down, to go with the lowered water level in the tank. But it came loose again. I decided that since it's not functioning as an overflow, I don't need it. I just installed the fake wall cover. Without it in there, there's more room for plants, etc.

Next, I reworked the mounting setup for the fake mangrove root/powerhead. I needed to lower it too, to accommodate the lower water level. I also attempted to repair the cracked root. We'll see how it looks tomorrow. The fake root is showing its age. I think I can keep it together but it'll be close. If it doesn't fall apart I'm going to repaint it to look more wood-like.

It's good to get some of the system fixes done. Not as sexy as the living elements but important. Sorry this is going so slowly. I'll keep plugging along, doing the dull stuff, until I get to the fun stuff.

Looking ahead, I wonder how the new version will differ from the original. Before, I was walking into an unknown situation. Now I have those four years of experience to build on. It will be interesting to see how it affects my choices.


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Old 07/11/2018, 06:02 AM   #79
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Old 07/11/2018, 06:44 AM   #80
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I am glad that behind the scenes stuff is progressing. Its easy to get stalled on those chores but like you said, it needs done to move on to the good stuff.


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Old 07/11/2018, 07:28 AM   #81
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Thanks Kevin and Dawn! It's challenging to make time, this time of year, for some reason. But things are progressing.

In the meantime it's interesting to discuss methods, philosophies, etc.

There's still not a lot of good info on marine planted tanks. They do require a shift in thinking, compared to reef tanks, or even fish only tanks. Dispensing with artificial filtration flies in the face of accepted conventions. But when your main subject matter does the filtration for you, why bother? The trick is to understand how much Nature can do in our man-made systems, and what we have to do, to assist. For example, I've found that despite populating the tank with numerous detrivores and filter feeders, detritus still accumulates. This happens in our closed systems, and also in seagrass meadows. Since it is a display, some tidying up is called for, so I occasionally remove some detritus.

The goal for me is to let Nature do most of the work, so I can stretch out on the couch and watch.


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Old 07/11/2018, 06:41 PM   #82
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Hey! Thanks to everyone reading! Any Lurky Lous? I'd love to hear from you. Got a comment? A question? I really appreciate my regulars' posts, but it would also be nice to hear from less regular posters. There's so much to talk about!

This ecosystem-in-a-box thing is pretty cool, right? Or do you think I'm doomed to fail? Who puts dirt in their aquarium!? Talk to me…


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Old 07/11/2018, 07:54 PM   #83
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Following along. No dirt in my aquarium. Maybe some potting soil fragments from the white worms I feed my fish. Im finding the macro in the tank is pretty kewl. Im learning how the different types spread. Both my brushes and fans have sprouted new stalks from the sand bed. Also I noticed the new sprouts are more resistant to the cyano wanting to cover them. Maybe a chemical thing? The cyano is on its last legs as of late. It only seems to be on the fragile red grape macro now.
Keep us posted, we all want to know how to make our chunks of ocean more of a natural eco-system.


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Old 07/11/2018, 10:37 PM   #84
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Thanks lapin! I've been following your (excellent) build as well. Congrats to coming out of cyano city. I like the way brushes and fans spread like that. I bet it looks cool! I've struggled with red grapes. I've still got a little plant, so I'm hoping to figure it out.

I of course will continue to prattle on. I want to learn how to combine natural processes to encourage a functioning ecosystem to form, in an aquarium. The better it functions, the less work for me.


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Old 07/12/2018, 06:05 AM   #85
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Looking forward to seeing some photos or virtual renditions of the plan. :0)


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Old 07/12/2018, 08:43 AM   #86
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Hmm…not much to show of the plan. Maybe you are referring to showing my progress on the system changes/fixes? Not much to show there, either. What I have done isn't particularly pretty or interesting, in my opinion. I admit I don't get very excited about the system stuff. To me it's just the hurdles I have to clear to get to the fun stuff.

I can list what I've done and what I plan to do.

Done:
Relocated metal halide light fixture higher up in the cabinet
Lowered overflow/refugium
Fashioned bracket to lower fake mangrove root/powerhead

To Do:
Level floor under the tank. I have put a floor jack under the house, and in the process of gradually raising the low spot in the floor.
Repair and repaint fake root.
Install wave box.
Re-foam fake wall at the top to create some overhang.
Install fake wall on left end to hide wave box and flow-through wall.
Polish acrylic front and right end panel of aquarium. This should help with photos.
Replace inferior canister filter with Fluval 306 model. I picked this up on sale months ago.
Plumb in UV sterilizer. Like my strategy with activated carbon, I will only run it when needed. It seemed to be the best thing I did to get rid of dinoflagellates.
Assemble and install mesh top to prevent jumpers.

That's about it. McPuff, I will photograph things that are interesting as I progress.


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Old 07/13/2018, 08:32 AM   #87
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Hmm…not much to show of the plan. Maybe you are referring to showing my progress on the system changes/fixes? Not much to show there, either. What I have done isn't particularly pretty or interesting, in my opinion. I admit I don't get very excited about the system stuff. To me it's just the hurdles I have to clear to get to the fun stuff.

I can list what I've done and what I plan to do.

Done:
Relocated metal halide light fixture higher up in the cabinet
Lowered overflow/refugium
Fashioned bracket to lower fake mangrove root/powerhead

To Do:
Level floor under the tank. I have put a floor jack under the house, and in the process of gradually raising the low spot in the floor.
Repair and repaint fake root.
Install wave box.
Re-foam fake wall at the top to create some overhang.
Install fake wall on left end to hide wave box and flow-through wall.
Polish acrylic front and right end panel of aquarium. This should help with photos.
Replace inferior canister filter with Fluval 306 model. I picked this up on sale months ago.
Plumb in UV sterilizer. Like my strategy with activated carbon, I will only run it when needed. It seemed to be the best thing I did to get rid of dinoflagellates.
Assemble and install mesh top to prevent jumpers.

That's about it. McPuff, I will photograph things that are interesting as I progress.
Ha ha! No worries. Looking forward to more updates. :0)


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Old 07/13/2018, 09:12 PM   #88
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Michael, that is quite a to do list, but it sounds like the end result will be awesome especially with the added current. Your macros and grasses will flow gracefully.

I stopped using cartridges in my filter and have since added a sponge to filter out some of the detritus. About once a month, I remove it and clean out the filter, and wash out the sponge under fresh water. I figure that my tank has plenty of bacteria to make up for it. My tank is so "dirty" that it always looks like it's snowing in there LOL. But, my barnacles, tunicates and live mussels seem to love it.


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Thanks McPuff! Me too!

Thanks Kevin! I'm pretty excited about the wave box. Can't wait to see it working!

I like your marine snow. It looks very natural.


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