Clown ID

texas1977 · 03/05/2019, 07:45 PM

Thought id post this question in here. This was sold to me at the LFS as sebae. Someone said Clarkii. I think they may be right. Anyone?

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Jturner90g · 03/05/2019, 07:48 PM

By the raised mouth I’d say Clarkii and not occilarious, they typically have a lower mouth that shows more prominent “frown” than a clarkii clown. Also the mouth is a lot lower in the jaw line.

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richard.volker · 03/07/2019, 03:21 AM

Definitely a type of clarki. Sebae clowns are a morph of clarkis just like allardis or African clowns

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ThRoewer · 03/07/2019, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by richard.volker

... Sebae clowns are a morph of clarkis just like allardis or African clowns

A. sebae does not belong to the same complex as A, clarkii but is rather closely related to A. polymnus.

Actually, genetic research has shown that none of the African clownfish (bicinctus, allardi, chrysogaster,...) are closely related to A. clarkii despite their similar looks. The closest relatives of clarkii are A. tricinctus and the tomato clowns (ephippium, melanopus, frenatus,...)

(from "Hybridisation and diversification in the adaptive radiation of clownfishes", Glenn Litsios and Nicolas Salamin

richard.volker · 03/07/2019, 03:54 AM

Very interesting thank you for this info. I always thought they were related based around looks and hosting preferences

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Mad Marine · 03/10/2019, 10:31 AM

https://************.com/2012/03/22/...bae-clownfish/

Mad Marine · 03/10/2019, 10:32 AM

Mad Marine · 03/10/2019, 10:33 AM

sorry the missing information re/ link is ************ and true-sebae-clownfish

Mad Marine · 03/10/2019, 10:34 AM

ah - reef builders

ThRoewer · 03/10/2019, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Marine

Neither of those fish in that video is an A. sebae but more likely it is a pair of clarkiis. The different coloration of the tail fin is sex related with claekii from some locations.

A. sebae has a distinct body shape, more round in cross-section and elongated, but usually not as extreme as with A. polymnus. Also very typical for sebae is that the bar on the body is curved or slanted back and extends into the soft dorsal fin.
Adult A. sebae also never have a third band on the base of the tail fin (the third band is typical for A polymnus) and sebae have always a yellow tail fin.

Color forms of A. sebae:

A. polymnus (melanistic form):

phender · 03/10/2019, 04:13 PM

Agreed, both the clowns in that video are clarki clowns, just different color forms.

The clown in the OP is also a clarki clown. Sebae used to be the common name for clarkis in the aquarium trade for some reason, and it is still being used by some wholesalers and LFSs. It tends to create a lot of confusion especially since many wholesalers and collectors can't seem to tell the difference.

Mad Marine · 03/10/2019, 04:22 PM

Thanks for your response. I agree, you are correct. It's tricky to ID Texas1977 fish, better photos would help.

ThRoewer · 03/10/2019, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Marine

Thanks for your response. I agree, you are correct. It's tricky to ID Texas1977 fish, better photos would help.

The issue is mainly that it is still a juvenile. Clarkii and the clarkii-like members of the African clade have very similar coloration as juveniles. Time will probably tell what it is.

03/05/2019, 07:45 PM	#1
texas1977 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 199	Clown ID Thought id post this question in here. This was sold to me at the LFS as sebae. Someone said Clarkii. I think they may be right. Anyone? Sent from my LM-V405 using Tapatalk

03/10/2019, 04:13 PM	#11
phender Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorba Linda, CA Posts: 4,561	Agreed, both the clowns in that video are clarki clowns, just different color forms. The clown in the OP is also a clarki clown. Sebae used to be the common name for clarkis in the aquarium trade for some reason, and it is still being used by some wholesalers and LFSs. It tends to create a lot of confusion especially since many wholesalers and collectors can't seem to tell the difference. __________________ Phil Current Tank Info: 50 gal reef, used to have - 60 gal reef, 40 gal reef, 2-20 gal clownfish tanks which were also reefs.

03/05/2019, 07:48 PM	#2
Jturner90g Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 27	By the raised mouth I’d say Clarkii and not occilarious, they typically have a lower mouth that shows more prominent “frown” than a clarkii clown. Also the mouth is a lot lower in the jaw line. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03/07/2019, 03:21 AM	#3
richard.volker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 2	Definitely a type of clarki. Sebae clowns are a morph of clarkis just like allardis or African clowns Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

03/07/2019, 03:54 AM	#5
richard.volker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 2	Very interesting thank you for this info. I always thought they were related based around looks and hosting preferences Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

03/10/2019, 10:31 AM	#6
Mad Marine Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 177	https://************.com/2012/03/22/...bae-clownfish/

03/10/2019, 10:32 AM	#7
Mad Marine Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 177

03/10/2019, 10:33 AM	#8
Mad Marine Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 177	sorry the missing information re/ link is ************ and true-sebae-clownfish

03/10/2019, 10:34 AM	#9
Mad Marine Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 177	ah - reef builders

03/10/2019, 04:22 PM	#12
Mad Marine Registered Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 177	Thanks for your response. I agree, you are correct. It's tricky to ID Texas1977 fish, better photos would help.