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Unread 09/09/2014, 11:07 PM   #451
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How many of those skimmerless reefs started as skimmerless or just after some time turned off the skimmer?

On my 400g I converted to skimmerless and everything is fine... But I started another 50g skimmerless from day 1 and after 6 months is still generating diatoms like crazy


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Unread 09/09/2014, 11:23 PM   #452
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How many of those skimmerless reefs started as skimmerless or just after some time turned off the skimmer?

On my 400g I converted to skimmerless and everything is fine... But I started another 50g skimmerless from day 1 and after 6 months is still generating diatoms like crazy


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Unread 09/27/2014, 01:49 AM   #453
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Wow! Nice tank! Do you use GAC? Do you carbon dose? And what kind lights are you running?
Lights are Arcadia OT2 LED

30 3 watt 450 nm 30 3 watt 6500 K

6 T5 Tubes 80 watts


I dose Iodine

and use Activated carbon passively once a month

a Po4 absorber is also used if required probably 3 or 4 times a year


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Unread 09/27/2014, 08:59 AM   #454
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Lights are Arcadia OT2 LED

30 3 watt 450 nm 30 3 watt 6500 K

6 T5 Tubes 80 watts


I dose Iodine

and use Activated carbon passively once a month

a Po4 absorber is also used if required probably 3 or 4 times a year
I'm finding that more and more reefers are utilizing t5s along with LEDs . I
Believe it is to ad uv's that leds don't provide


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Unread 09/28/2014, 11:16 AM   #455
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I'm finding that more and more reefers are utilizing t5s along with LEDs . I
Believe it is to ad uv's that leds don't provide
That was the reason to go with a Hybrid unit 5 years ago

however LEDs have moved on you can get 390 /400/ 410 /420 nm Emitters now
which in T5 term we would call Actinic and 20K Tube

My next lighting will be full LED, as full spectrum is available


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Unread 09/29/2014, 05:09 PM   #456
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Established is not about time, it is about self reliance. IMO a mature or established tank is one where very little testing is required as the owner knows the parameters and he knows they will not change by adding or eliminating a creature. It is a tank where corals grow randomly on their own where polyps sprout up with no help from us. Where under every stone is noticeable life, just like in the sea. Where fish almost never die unless it is from old age, (which is well over 10 years for almost all fish) where all paired fish are spawning (fish that will spawn in a tank, no whale sharks or manta rays)
Tiny tube worms cover many dark areas and you can see amphipods scurrying about if you look at the tank at night with a flashlight.
No tweeking is necessary, water changes will not noticeably alter the health of anything. Hair algae and cyano grow very little and do not overtake anything.
The power can go out for a few days and no deaths or crashes will occur.
To have a tank like this does not happen overnight and may take ten or 15 years. That is my idea of an established tank, not 6 weeks because your $5.00 test kit reads zero ammonia.
I'm not disagreeing with you but I'd like to point out that you start this post by saying it is not about time and end it saying that it is.

Sounds like what you are describing is very much about time investment in allowing a tank to mature or become established. And I think it points something very important out in this hobby: people don't often keep tanks around long enough to even come close to knowing what it is like to have a fully established tank.

I disagree that it takes 10-15 years though. I had a 20L nano that met your description in less than 2 years and went on to enjoy a 10 year run until the clownfish in it died of old age.



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Unread 10/01/2014, 12:03 PM   #457
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It is not about time per say, but it takes an unknown amount of time to have an established tank unless you grab everything out of the sea and put it in your tank at once. My 10-15 years is a broad time frame but it is IMO the time frame necessary to have a fully established tank. You can call a two year old tank established if you like and many people will agree with you. A two year old tank is not even the life span of a hermit crab so you won't know if your animals are living their full lifespan which for most creatures we keep is 10 or 15 years. Just my opinion of course.


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Unread 10/01/2014, 04:35 PM   #458
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It is not about time per say, but it takes an unknown amount of time to have an established tank unless you grab everything out of the sea and put it in your tank at once. My 10-15 years is a broad time frame but it is IMO the time frame necessary to have a fully established tank. You can call a two year old tank established if you like and many people will agree with you. A two year old tank is not even the life span of a hermit crab so you won't know if your animals are living their full lifespan which for most creatures we keep is 10 or 15 years. Just my opinion of course.
Well, like I said, the tank I was describing housed a clownfish for 10 years.


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Unread 10/01/2014, 07:59 PM   #459
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I have had my 10 gallon going for about 3 months skimmer less. I have a mangrove Calera cheat and a hob filter it was good but now has started to grow hair algae and am going to put a skimmer on the new tank. I have 3 fish and feed my fish and corals alot. I have 20 lbs live rock packed bare bottom tank with weekly 1 gallon water changes I think the nutrients have built up and I have increased feeding.

If I used my water changes to 20 percent weekly I could get away with out a skimmer and no algea.


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