Noisy Vortech DrySide FIX!! - Page 21

jccaclimber · 04/23/2017, 10:16 AM

Successful MP60 rebuild on my part now. There was an aluminum disc covering some screw heads on the back. Once that popped off I was able to get everything apart and it was very straightforward. I found a miniature bearing puller at work. I don't have a picture handy, but similar ones are less than $10 online, so use one of these and don't break your magnet.
6000z bearings front and back.

My cover didn't have the two screws that the one above did, so I ended up having to pry it out. It went back in with a solid snap.

Osama · 04/23/2017, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jccaclimber

Successful MP60 rebuild on my part now. There was an aluminum disc covering some screw heads on the back. Once that popped off I was able to get everything apart and it was very straightforward. I found a miniature bearing puller at work. I don't have a picture handy, but similar ones are less than $10 online, so use one of these and don't break....

I may need to get into my MP60s (five) that are failing on me after 3-4yrs. Any pictures you may add to this post will be greatly appreciated and thanks

jccaclimber · 04/23/2017, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osama

I may need to get into my MP60s (five) that are failing on me after 3-4yrs. Any pictures you may add to this post will be greatly appreciated and thanks

I'll try to take a picture of the puller. Madehtsobi's pictures a few posts back do a nice job of showing the insides.

Madehtsobi · 05/05/2017, 10:36 AM

found some cheap new bearings on ebay and i replaced my mp60 ones and they are SILENT!!

Osama · 05/05/2017, 01:48 PM

Thanks jccaclimber and Madehtobi .. I will go over the thread as well with my thanks to both and to ALL THANKS

Madehtsobi · 05/05/2017, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osama

Thanks jccaclimber and Madehtobi .. I will go over the thread as well with my thanks to both and to ALL THANKS

NP! Take pics n post up as well! Make sure u get a bearing press for the first time around!

I used a metal L shaped ruler from Harbor freight the second time around since it was "looser" to get the bearings off

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Osama · 05/24/2017, 07:26 AM

New question, if I may please. A newly repaired and noisy MP60 now started to flash red and green ... Anyone knows what could possibly be going on and why it is flashing red/green THANKS

jccaclimber · 05/24/2017, 04:22 PM

Red/green is stall detected. I've only had that a few times, not on an MP60 I've rebuilt, and it always goes away on restart. I would clean the wet side and make sure it is free. Otherwise I wonder if your bearings are putting the motor in a slight bind. Does the dry side spin freely by hand?

Osama · 05/24/2017, 05:11 PM

Thanks Jccaclimber I restarted it and flashing went away. Will see how it is by morning THANKS

jccaclimber · 05/25/2017, 11:48 AM

Sorry for the long delay, I finally figured out what the puller at work is. It was sold as a battery terminal puller. Ours is a Blackhawk/Proto ET1071A, $25 online. The Lisle 54150 for $18 on Amazon (Prime too) looks like the same thing.

EvinrudeJohnson · 07/13/2017, 07:04 AM

Hello guys!
My name is Benjamin and I'm living in Germany. I have a question to you, sorry if I do any mistakes :-)
I decided to replace the bearings of my MP10. I opened the dryside and saw finally two different kinds of bearings. Did anybody see this before? I only read about two same bearings inside. Thank you :-)

EvinrudeJohnson · 07/13/2017, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvinrudeJohnson

Hello guys!
My name is Marc and I'm living in Germany. I have a question to you, sorry if I do any mistakes :-)
I decided to replace the bearings of my MP10. I opened the dryside and saw finally two different kinds of bearings. Did anybody see this before? I only read about two same bearings inside. Thank you :-)

EvinrudeJohnson · 07/13/2017, 07:08 AM

sorry for my third post. I decided to use my first name "Marc" but I cannot delete the post above. If an admin see this, please delete this above. Thank you :-)

rum3002576 · 07/14/2017, 07:13 AM

i have a MP60 thats making noise and im not mechanically inclined at all, anyone wanna repair it for me? if so send me a pm please

Alexfdl · 11/11/2017, 01:30 AM

Good morning to all I need desperate for your help. When disassembling my 40 qd inside find a small one washer, but I can not understand its mounting position. I tried to run the pump without this but the noise and too much.When I dismounted the part was attached to the side of the magnet, , but I can not believe it is the right position, think that it is attached to them because of the magnet
Please, anybody can help me put my pump back into operation.
I apologize but I did not upload the photos., I hope somebody can understand my problem

Alexfdl · 11/11/2017, 01:33 AM

Here are the pictures

jccaclimber · 11/11/2017, 08:40 AM

Hard to tell from here and I've only done non QD 40's, but I suspect a bearing shim. Is it the same OD as one of the bearings? Flat, or wavy?

necessary_evil · 11/17/2017, 01:30 PM

Anyone have the pics from the OP?

Joke · 03/30/2018, 02:32 AM

I know this is an old thread, but I'm hoping someone can help me out.
Can anyone post pics of the washers used in a mp40wqd and where they are supposed to be.
I knocked them out and not sure if I'm missing any or which one goes where.
Any help is appreciated.

Dino · 03/30/2018, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by necessary_evil

Anyone have the pics from the OP?

I know this post was made a while ago but I just went through and fixed all the PB pictures in this thread that I could.

MHG · 06/09/2018, 02:27 PM

well that was a waste of an hour. replaced my bearings bit still noisy. a slightly different kind but still noisy. well was worth a try

Sisterlimonpot · 06/09/2018, 02:44 PM

What model? What bearings did you use?

MHG · 06/09/2018, 04:01 PM

Here are the specs. not sure what brand... to many different bearings listed here that I could not find.

607ZZ...ABEC3 Rate. 2 SIDes Rubber Seals. Self lubricated ( Grease ).Noise Level V2+,Noise Tested,Limiting Speed Rpm (Grease 36000 rpm,Oil 37000 rpm),Basic load rating (lb) Cr KN = 2.358, Cor KN = 0.954,

698ZZ ABEC3 Rate.
Self lubricated
Noise Level V2+,
Limiting Speed Rpm (Grease 37000 rpm). Basic load rating (lb) Cr KN = 1.99, Cor KN = 0.865.

jccaclimber · 06/09/2018, 04:20 PM

If my time with machinery spindles has taught me anything it is that not all bearings are created equal, and that using ABEC ratings is fuzzy at best. Impostors exist as well.

I've done a couple Vortech pumps with cheap bearings and been happy, and a couple with cheap bearings and had your result. If I ever do another it'll be with one of the name brand ones.

jccaclimber · 06/09/2018, 04:21 PM

I would also prefer metal shielded over rubber sealed for this application. They run cooler, and if you have salt creep that far in you have other problems.

05/05/2017, 01:48 PM	#505
Osama Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Palatine NW suburb of Chicago Posts: 1,026	Thanks jccaclimber and Madehtobi .. I will go over the thread as well with my thanks to both and to ALL THANKS __________________ Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef : 500g (130X30X31)with 60g frag tank and 60g refugium (36X24X16) and 60g sump (48X18X16)// Previously:320g,180G,65g & 2X90g Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef DT 500 Gallons

05/24/2017, 07:26 AM	#507
Osama Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Palatine NW suburb of Chicago Posts: 1,026	New question, if I may please. A newly repaired and noisy MP60 now started to flash red and green ... Anyone knows what could possibly be going on and why it is flashing red/green THANKS __________________ Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef : 500g (130X30X31)with 60g frag tank and 60g refugium (36X24X16) and 60g sump (48X18X16)// Previously:320g,180G,65g & 2X90g Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef DT 500 Gallons

05/24/2017, 05:11 PM	#509
Osama Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Palatine NW suburb of Chicago Posts: 1,026	Thanks Jccaclimber I restarted it and flashing went away. Will see how it is by morning THANKS __________________ Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef : 500g (130X30X31)with 60g frag tank and 60g refugium (36X24X16) and 60g sump (48X18X16)// Previously:320g,180G,65g & 2X90g Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef DT 500 Gallons

06/09/2018, 02:27 PM	#521
MHG Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,919	well that was a waste of an hour. replaced my bearings bit still noisy. a slightly different kind but still noisy. well was worth a try __________________ MHG (LIRA Member) 60G Cube, Kessil 360's

06/09/2018, 02:44 PM	#522
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	What model? What bearings did you use? __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

04/23/2017, 10:16 AM	#501
jccaclimber Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 528	Successful MP60 rebuild on my part now. There was an aluminum disc covering some screw heads on the back. Once that popped off I was able to get everything apart and it was very straightforward. I found a miniature bearing puller at work. I don't have a picture handy, but similar ones are less than $10 online, so use one of these and don't break your magnet. 6000z bearings front and back. My cover didn't have the two screws that the one above did, so I ended up having to pry it out. It went back in with a solid snap.

05/05/2017, 10:36 AM	#504
Madehtsobi Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: TX Posts: 208	found some cheap new bearings on ebay and i replaced my mp60 ones and they are SILENT!!

05/24/2017, 04:22 PM	#508
jccaclimber Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 528	Red/green is stall detected. I've only had that a few times, not on an MP60 I've rebuilt, and it always goes away on restart. I would clean the wet side and make sure it is free. Otherwise I wonder if your bearings are putting the motor in a slight bind. Does the dry side spin freely by hand?

05/25/2017, 11:48 AM	#510
jccaclimber Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 528	Sorry for the long delay, I finally figured out what the puller at work is. It was sold as a battery terminal puller. Ours is a Blackhawk/Proto ET1071A, $25 online. The Lisle 54150 for $18 on Amazon (Prime too) looks like the same thing.

07/13/2017, 07:04 AM	#511
EvinrudeJohnson Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 3	Hello guys! My name is Benjamin and I'm living in Germany. I have a question to you, sorry if I do any mistakes :-) I decided to replace the bearings of my MP10. I opened the dryside and saw finally two different kinds of bearings. Did anybody see this before? I only read about two same bearings inside. Thank you :-)

07/13/2017, 07:08 AM	#513
EvinrudeJohnson Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 3	sorry for my third post. I decided to use my first name "Marc" but I cannot delete the post above. If an admin see this, please delete this above. Thank you :-)

07/14/2017, 07:13 AM	#514
rum3002576 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 61	i have a MP60 thats making noise and im not mechanically inclined at all, anyone wanna repair it for me? if so send me a pm please

11/11/2017, 01:30 AM	#515
Alexfdl Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 6	Good morning to all I need desperate for your help. When disassembling my 40 qd inside find a small one washer, but I can not understand its mounting position. I tried to run the pump without this but the noise and too much.When I dismounted the part was attached to the side of the magnet, , but I can not believe it is the right position, think that it is attached to them because of the magnet Please, anybody can help me put my pump back into operation. I apologize but I did not upload the photos., I hope somebody can understand my problem

11/11/2017, 08:40 AM	#517
jccaclimber Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 528	Hard to tell from here and I've only done non QD 40's, but I suspect a bearing shim. Is it the same OD as one of the bearings? Flat, or wavy?

11/17/2017, 01:30 PM	#518
necessary_evil Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Saint Petersburg, FL Posts: 136	Anyone have the pics from the OP?

03/30/2018, 02:32 AM	#519
Joke Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 446	I know this is an old thread, but I'm hoping someone can help me out. Can anyone post pics of the washers used in a mp40wqd and where they are supposed to be. I knocked them out and not sure if I'm missing any or which one goes where. Any help is appreciated.

06/09/2018, 04:01 PM	#523
MHG Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,919	Here are the specs. not sure what brand... to many different bearings listed here that I could not find. 607ZZ...ABEC3 Rate. 2 SIDes Rubber Seals. Self lubricated ( Grease ).Noise Level V2+,Noise Tested,Limiting Speed Rpm (Grease 36000 rpm,Oil 37000 rpm),Basic load rating (lb) Cr KN = 2.358, Cor KN = 0.954, 698ZZ ABEC3 Rate. Self lubricated Noise Level V2+, Limiting Speed Rpm (Grease 37000 rpm). Basic load rating (lb) Cr KN = 1.99, Cor KN = 0.865. __________________ MHG (LIRA Member) 60G Cube, Kessil 360's

06/09/2018, 04:20 PM	#524
jccaclimber Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 528	If my time with machinery spindles has taught me anything it is that not all bearings are created equal, and that using ABEC ratings is fuzzy at best. Impostors exist as well. I've done a couple Vortech pumps with cheap bearings and been happy, and a couple with cheap bearings and had your result. If I ever do another it'll be with one of the name brand ones.

06/09/2018, 04:21 PM	#525
jccaclimber Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 528	I would also prefer metal shielded over rubber sealed for this application. They run cooler, and if you have salt creep that far in you have other problems.

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