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How susceptible are mille's to AEFW and red bugs??? ARe they more resistant than say A. valida etc etc....????
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#2 on the list IME
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Marc and Stoney Mahony can you please add your AEFW pictures and egg pictures here. They would be valuable addtions
Thx http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=903839
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Serioussnaps- Milles are just as susceptible AEFW as any other acro is. IME milles were the first to get infected. as for RB i have never seen any on my milles but would recomend treating them as if they had them just like any other acro.
the browning out part doesn't scare me to much. What does is that there is little to no PE and some are strating to RTN. in fact the three i lost RTN and 8 other started to be it seem to be slowing down. When i treated i had multple acro w/ each other. some acro slimed really bad. i am wordering if that is playing a major role in the RTN. IME newly shipped arco that slime alot have a tendency to RTN a little. Any thought? |
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My were definitely dead after the Levamisole treatments.
All of mine that didn't make it did this (RTN). I did the recommended dosage of Levamisole for the recommended time frame. No whitening of tissue, just tissue lose...
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IMO having a reoccurrence of FW's after treatment doesn't necessarily mean the treatment doesn't work......most likely it means the QT protocol was not not followed or the treatment didn't last long enough with enough iterations
Also, the position doesn't matter.....more important: are they motionless forever? That's what counts....Stoney I look forward to seeing what you find during the next round. I did a search for the last year on RC and 90% of the posts had a positive mention of Fluke Tabs. Funny thing is it seems to go unnoticed and not thoroughly explored. Those that did have issues had really long dip times.....here are a few threads where it is mentioned: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ght=Fluke+Tabs http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ght=Fluke+Tabs http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ght=Fluke+Tabs http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ght=Fluke+Tabs http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ght=Fluke+Tabs One of these threads mentioned using Fluke Tabs and Interceptor (for RB's) and that they beat the FW's. Perhaps ther is some interaction with these 2 drugs that gives them a one two punch. Last edited by Neptune777; 08/29/2006 at 06:19 PM. |
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Ok, heres a few pics......Melev, if you want me to start another thread let me know, I don't want to post too much on yours if you meant to discuss your tank mainly and not others.....
Heres a pic of the QT: Heres are a few pics of the valida frags, keep in mind all damage you can see was there before the dips... Here is a pic of a Valida frag that was totally eaten by the fw's but I treated it any way and the polyps came back out! Here is a valida frag I kept on the other side of the tank from the colony. I don't think the fw's found it till a few days before I noticed them b/c there was minimal damage. This is also a frag I dipped a total of 4 times already, 2 of which were 50 minute dips. No color loss whatsoever. This was one of my test frags I spoke about earlier.
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Nothing but 1 comment from a guy that "heard" from someone else that fluke tabs work. running tally = 0 positive, 0 negative Thread 2: 1 guy talks about his success with treating with fluke tabs. running tally = 1 positive, 0 negative Thread 3: 1 guy tells someone to use fluke tabs but says nothing else. Another guy states that he has "heard" the fluke tabs work. running tally = 1 positive, 0 negative Thread 4: 1 report that it worked for someone. 1 report that a coral treated with a fluke tab bleached. 1 report that the corals do not fair well to the dip running tally = 1 positive, 2 negative Thread 5: 1 report that fluke tabs were used and several corals died running tally = 1 positive, 3 negative Thread 6: 1 report of a coral killed by the dip total tally = 1 positive response, 4 negative responses. Sorry, I didn't count the couple responses of I heard from a guy that heard from a guy that heard from a guy.... I stand by my original post that overall, the experience that people have had with the fluke tabs in the past has been more negative than positive.
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Here are some of my other corals that I have dipped 2x already:
I don't see any color loss....
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With levamisole, some corals will lighten up a little and some will lose a little color but I did not experience anything I would call bleaching or browning out. About the same effect that you get when you move a coral from one tank to another, it has to adjust to its new environment.
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fluke tabs definitely need more testing by deferent people to see if it works as good as the pictures showing , if it works Stoney Mahony need to get a good
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BTW, the corals you just posted look healthy and colorful. That does confirm that the corals are handling the treatments well!
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Neptune- Yes, they were motionless forever...at least for 6 hours. I took a picture of the bucket after the last coral was out, then another 4 hours later and the pics are identical, they didnt move.
Also Travis, all those people could have been using different doses, had bad water quality or a million other factors. I would rather try it for myself than swear it off b/c others have reported numerous conflicting results. From what you have posted it seems I am using a completely different product or method b/c I have not seen ANY of the adverse effects you describe the other people having. Remember, people thought the world was flat for a long time......
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Did you check and see after you redone your tank if you have any FW after the treatment?
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Stoney, you are correct, the people in those threads were still experimenting with doses so they could have been using too much or too little. And more experimenting is always a good thing so I agree the fluke tabs should not be written off as not working. I was initially concerned after your original post because the corals you posted looked bleached and browned out but your recent pics disproved that. Also, I was concerned that the FW's could still be alive. You mentioned that the FW's still remained dead in the bucket after an additional 4 hours. But did you put fresh aged saltwater in that bucket or did you leave them in the treatment water? I am eager to see what your continued results are with this treatment protocol. Hopefully, it will disprove my assumptions.
Zoom, I did have some tissue recession shortly after all of my treatments but I attribute that to running 1200g of Phosban all at once. I was originally concerned that the FW's could be back. Once I removed the Phosban the recession stopped. Other than that, there has been no signs and I do check periodically. But none of us will ever know for sure if we really erradicated them or not. The FW's are very cryptic. I had them before and knew what to look for but did not know until my tank was majorly infested this last time. They are just so hard to spot. All anyone can do is say that either they have or have not treated. I don't think anyone can say they do not have them because nobody really knows for sure. That is my opinion anyways.
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Awesome. Feel free to continue to contribute to this thread, as combined minds will hopefully find a working solution.
I see the eggcrate in your quarantine tank. Just curious why it is there - traction? Can you discuss how you are maintaining water quality on a daily and weekly basis? Do you do weekly water changes? If so, how many gallons are you changing? Are you dosing anything like B-Ionic for calcium, alk, levels? Are you running a skimmer, and if so, when? Are you using water from your reef each water change? The more facts we can get out there, the better it will be for others following in our steps. |
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I don't know Travis I asked you because all the problems i have with my SPS it is something defiantly gone on in my tank i can not figure it out....... i hope i don't have them Do you have any easy way to see if i have them?I try but I can see any thing . |
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Steve, pull out the coral in question, put it in a white bowl of tank water so it is submerged, and add a few drops of Lugol's Solution. Stir it in, wait a minute or so, and blow off the coral with a turkey baster. If you see ovals flying off that resemble the pictures on page 1, you're officially part of the crew.
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I'm actually using Tropic Marine's Iodine solution, if you happen to have it.
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Steve, also look for the notorious "bite marks". You will find these mostly on the undersides of corals and also in the branches of corals that have a lot of branches. Almost always, it will be in shaded areas. If you have the bite marks, it is safe to see you have AEFW's.
Otherwise just use what you can find to do a dip as Marc said... reefdip, TMPCC, Lugol's, levamisole, betadine, etc.
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Travis. All of my SPS are encrusted on a large LR's so it is almost impassible to get them out but i will try to pull one out and try. |
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But none of us will ever know for sure if we really erradicated them or not. The FW's are very cryptic. I had them before and knew what to look for but did not know until my tank was majorly infested this last time. They are just so hard to spot. All anyone can do is say that either they have or have not treated. I don't think anyone can say they do not have them because nobody really knows for sure. That is my opinion anyways.
HI ,Travis I am 100% agree on this statment very well said it)) mike
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