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Unread 08/13/2018, 07:06 PM   #26
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18k for a tank??? holy crap, was it a local shop that you got the quote from or online like miracles tanks
I got a 500 gal 130 x 30 x 30 with low iron front/sides, tempered bottom with the metal stand from miracles and it was about 8k shipped

18K is way over priced


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Unread 08/13/2018, 07:35 PM   #27
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wonder where they came up with 18k


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Unread 08/15/2018, 02:34 PM   #28
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wonder where they came up with 18k
Sounds like the....."We don't want to do it, so we will quote so high that they would never buy it. If they do, then we will make a ton of money on the sale"....price.


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Unread 08/15/2018, 08:46 PM   #29
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Unread 08/31/2018, 12:12 PM   #30
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I know its a work in progress. But any updates??


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Unread 09/24/2018, 03:28 PM   #31
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So its been quite a while since ive updated this thread. This is mainly because all my extra time has been put into the house and the tank has been a afterthought. Until last week!!!


Picture while trim was being installed. I put wainscoting up around the entire family room so that the tank trim could be incorporated into the room. My wife doesnt love the idea of the tank inwall, but this was enough to pacify her.
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Last week I started the Epoxy process. I was able to get a deal from my local Sherwin Williams rep on epoxy that he had for a while and needed to get rid of. 5 gallons of epoxy for 50 dollars, that usually runs 75 dollars a gallon. I was told that the only requirement for the epoxy is that it must be for potable water. The only problem was that this epoxy is non tintable and was in white. I would prefer black or even blue, but i plan on covering it all up with a rock wall and sand anyway. So white was worth the cost savings.

For the front panel I chose to go with the pour method with the epoxy rather than painting it on. I placed the tank front down and I created a form like i would with a concrete sidewalk, but only smaller. This made it easier to get my thickness the same and thus will help when the glass is installed on this panel. This was allowed 5 days to dry before i messed with it. Was hard as a rock!!!
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Today I turned the tank right side up and poured the bottom. I also painted the side walls with the epoxy. I would have loved to pour them, but the tank is 10' long and I have 9' ceilings. So i cannot place it on its side. I will need to put another 3 coats on the side walls during the process.

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Picture of the thickness of epoxy in the front panel. The plywood is 3/4" thick to compare.
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I am also going to epoxy the whole outside of the tank so non of the wood will ever be able to see any water. I should have epoxy done this week so ill be ordering the glass tomorrow. Im going with 3/4" crystal clear tempered glass. Ive gone back and forth and its alot more for tempered, but i dont wana risk anything breaking.

until next week!!!
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Unread 09/25/2018, 07:09 AM   #32
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WOW, that's some thick epoxy. I'm going to bet you don't have any leaks. :0) Seeing these threads really makes me want to build something in the 400-500 gallon range in the coming years.


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Unread 09/26/2018, 12:38 PM   #33
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Tagging along as this is a tank after my own heart! What will you be doing for your overflow?


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Unread 09/26/2018, 07:01 PM   #34
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Tagging along as this is a tank after my own heart! What will you be doing for your overflow?

I bought 2 of these last night on ebay. 36" long 5" tall 4" deep. They will protrude into the tank, but if i put the rock wall, they will be closer to flush with the rock. Ill put bulkheads behind them drilled into the wood (gotta remember to always epoxy the inside of all holes incase of leaks)

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Unread 09/27/2018, 06:37 AM   #35
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I bought 2 of these last night on ebay. 36" long 5" tall 4" deep. They will protrude into the tank, but if i put the rock wall, they will be closer to flush with the rock. Ill put bulkheads behind them drilled into the wood (gotta remember to always epoxy the inside of all holes incase of leaks)

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Don't epoxy it so thick that the bulkheads won't fit through.


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Unread 09/27/2018, 06:41 AM   #36
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I bought 2 of these last night on ebay. 36" long 5" tall 4" deep. They will protrude into the tank, but if i put the rock wall, they will be closer to flush with the rock. Ill put bulkheads behind them drilled into the wood (gotta remember to always epoxy the inside of all holes incase of leaks)

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That'll work. Just out of curiosity did you consider a C2C and why did you decide not to do that?


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Unread 09/27/2018, 06:48 AM   #37
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That'll work. Just out of curiosity did you consider a C2C and why did you decide not to do that?
I looked into a c2c but because I'm putting in a rock wall around 3 sides, I felt this was better. Wrong or right not sure, but since I've done this in ny thanks before i am more comfortable with it.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to put the overflows on the side or the back at this point. Probably the back so if i put a wave maker it wont drop below the overflow for long....thoughts?


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Unread 09/28/2018, 08:26 AM   #38
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It's still 6' of overflow. That's more than just about any "regular" size tank will have, even with coast-to-coast.

What is your plan for the rock wall? Some type of framing (e.g., PVC, egg crate, etc.)? Foam? Or all rocks bound with e-marco? I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

Side note: if you haven't purchased your lights yet, consider the Orphek pendants that are currently for sale in the Selling forum. Gosh, I wish I could buy those.


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Unread 09/28/2018, 11:12 AM   #39
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I’m almost done with my rock/foam wall. My tank is 8x4x4. So I needed 8 pieces of egg crate and 18 cans of foam to do it lol. And I used a decent amount of rock on the egg crates


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Unread 10/02/2018, 03:30 PM   #40
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It's still 6' of overflow. That's more than just about any "regular" size tank will have, even with coast-to-coast.

What is your plan for the rock wall? Some type of framing (e.g., PVC, egg crate, etc.)? Foam? Or all rocks bound with e-marco? I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

Side note: if you haven't purchased your lights yet, consider the Orphek pendants that are currently for sale in the Selling forum. Gosh, I wish I could buy those.
For the Rock Wall, im going with the E-Marco Bonding. Im going to epoxy some zip ties into the back wall. Then I can push them into the E-Marco bonding agent to make sure the wall is attached to the tank. I decided against the Foam route because of the unknown longevity. It would be easier, but the tank is being built to last 20+ years and i cannot say that about the foam in saltwater.


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Unread 10/02/2018, 03:39 PM   #41
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I used the black pond foam to secure the rock to the back wall of my 400g tank back in 2004. No issues. Not even the start of an issue. The rock work is exactly as it was when I built the tank. Not one piece has ever come loose.

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Unread 10/03/2018, 06:46 AM   #42
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For the Rock Wall, im going with the E-Marco Bonding. Im going to epoxy some zip ties into the back wall. Then I can push them into the E-Marco bonding agent to make sure the wall is attached to the tank. I decided against the Foam route because of the unknown longevity. It would be easier, but the tank is being built to last 20+ years and i cannot say that about the foam in saltwater.
If the zip ties break then you won't have anything to hold the rocks in place... and it would be hard to re-do that or another attachment option. You could use some sort of construction adhesive as long as it's reef safe (maybe none are). Sounds like the foam may be a good option though...


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If the zip ties break then you won't have anything to hold the rocks in place... and it would be hard to re-do that or another attachment option. You could use some sort of construction adhesive as long as it's reef safe (maybe none are). Sounds like the foam may be a good option though...
I'm going to use the zip ties (or something similar) like a brick Mason uses wall straps. The straps don't hold the rock together, but hold the wall onto the inside of the tank. I plan on doing a dozen or more of these. The wall itself should be self supporting and technically should bond to the exterior of the tank. The straps just give it a extra way to bond. If I ever decide to get rid of the rock wall I can always cut the straps. The rock wall will all be bonded together using the E-marco mortar. I'm currently searching for dry rock locally for this.


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Unread 10/03/2018, 04:18 PM   #44
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I might use the foam to fill in gaps. Just don't want it to hold weight. Still open to options though....


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I zip tied the rocks to egg crate then foamed around the egg crate. Then secured the walls to the tank with GE1 silicone and let dry. It can be a lil bit of a PITA but it’s holds fine for years. Doing the leak test today so if all goes well for a week or so then I’ll move the tank onto stand and slide in place then use hydraulic cement to connect my rock structures to the walls.
The zip ties will hold fine. Don’t worry


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Unread 10/15/2018, 08:05 PM   #46
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I should have most of this weekend to work on the tank. Epoxy floors being installed Wednesday. Then I finally have the ability to work on the Frag tank and Refugium stands.

I have 400lbs of Dry rock coming in this weekend for the rock wall also.



Im also going to setup the Fish breeding system so i can start transferring lifestock from my current system over to the new house. Im not sure how im going to move my corals. I bought the Breeding system used and im concerned about someone adding copper to the tanks at one point and it would kill my corals. Ideas??? Maybe just setup the frag tank and throw a skimmer in with it.


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Unread 10/21/2018, 06:36 PM   #47
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Got to spend 6 hours today working on the tank.

The finished Epoxy Floors. Just a clear epoxy over the concrete. We did the same in the family room/theater/bar area and i think it turned out great. I had 3 gallons left over, so i used it in the fish room.
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Lumber for finished the 800g stand/wall, Frag tank stand, and refugium stand.
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Final coat of epoxy on the back side of the tank. Might do another coat on the sides. Decided against any zip ties.
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100G Rubermaid sump set into place
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Breeding System setup for my current fish to go in.
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Started working on the frag tank stand.
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Picked up 560lbs of Dry rock Saturday also.
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I hope to get away one evening this week and finish the stands for the frag tank and the refugium. Glass comes in late this week or early next week.


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Unread 10/22/2018, 06:44 PM   #48
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Unread 10/23/2018, 10:08 PM   #49
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Looking great so far! Can't wait to see it completed!


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Unread 10/28/2018, 07:12 PM   #50
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I got the stands painted today. Also put a coat of placket pond shield on the back sides of the big tank. I didnt like the white.

Glass install on Tuesday!

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