My Apex Tunze Settings and Profile examples. Help for others and feedback appreciated

[Lucifa68]

ok slief. was trying to do the video from photobucket but does not seem to work properly. its the tunze controller.

[Lucifa68]

hi slief, ok so i got two cables for the apex. can i use your info as a starting point????? is there anything else that i may need to do???? i am also in the middle of setting up my wxm for my radions as well.

[bsagea]

Thanks Slief, for those of us who finally got tunze's to go with our Apex, or vise versa, this post was extremely useful!
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[dphins]

Thank you slief for posting your set-up. I used it on my tank. Now my tank is a rockin!

[slief]

Glad to know this thread keeps on giving and is help you guys!

[jeffreylam1132]

Yes, two thumbs up for this thread. I've been using this program for over a year now, thanks again slief. You're the man!

[Lucifa68]

hey slief, i have the following that i am trying to setup 4 6055's on my apex coming from a tunze 7095 controller running on interval 2. along with a nano wavebox. i was thinking of incorporating the wavebox on the apex and leaving one of the 6055 running 100%.

[infusionluke]

Just to help with programming ideas...

Outlet name PumpLeft

Advanced setup
Fallback ON
Set Calm
If Outlet PumpTimer = ON Then Wave
If Outlet PumpTimer = OFF Then ON
If Time 00:00 to 05:00 Then Calm
If FeedA 000 Then Feed
If FeedC 000 Then OFF
If FeedD 000 Then OFF


Outlet name PumpRight

Advanced setup
Fallback ON
Set Calm
If Outlet PumpTimer = ON Then ON
If Outlet PumpTimer = OFF Then Wave
If Time 00:00 to 05:00 Then Calm
If FeedA 000 Then Feed
If FeedC 000 Then OFF
If FeedD 000 Then OFF


Outlet Name PumpTimer

Control Type Pump
Icon Fan
Fallback OFF
Initial off time 000:00
On time 005:00
Off time 005:00
Feed timer A
Feed timer delay 005

Profile Name Wave

Control Type Pump
Oscillate pump setup
Synchronize Enabled
Divide by 10 Enabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 9
Off time (Seconds) 9
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 100


Profile Name Calm

Control Type Pump
Oscillate pump setup
Synchronize Enabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 30
Off time (Seconds) 10
Minimum intensity 30
Maximum intensity 50

6x2x2 tank.
Hope this helps

[fireheadman]

Your logic (code) has some bugs in it...
I get this error when copy/pasting what you have.

//Error: line 4 - Expected ON or OFF OR PFx // If Outlet PumpTimer = OFF Then Wave
Outlet

[aleithol]

Originally Posted by fireheadman

Your logic (code) has some bugs in it...
I get this error when copy/pasting what you have.

//Error: line 4 - Expected ON or OFF OR PFx // If Outlet PumpTimer = OFF Then Wave
Outlet

Be sure you create your profiles first, then do your outlet programming since your outlets reference the profiles or you'll get errors.

Then, since the outlets reference one another, you'll have to also create them in the right order so references don't cause errors as you're finding -- in this case, try creating PumpTimer first before the PumpLeft and PumpRight.

[slief]

Originally Posted by aleithol

Be sure you create your profiles first, then do your outlet programming since your outlets reference the profiles or you'll get errors.

Then, since the outlets reference one another, you'll have to also create them in the right order so references don't cause errors as you're finding -- in this case, try creating PumpTimer first before the PumpLeft and PumpRight.

Great advice. Definitely need those profiles created first.

[reefrobster]

Awesome. Thanks for sharing. I've been meaning to do something like this. I'm going to try these profile settings tonight when I get home.

[chunk78]

Thank you for posting your settings. I have tried to reproduce them but have an error. I hope someone can see what I have done wrong.

Below are screen shots for my settings

Any and all help will be appreciated

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[chunk78]

[chunk78]

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[slief]

What is the error you are getting and when are you seeing it?

[chunk78]

I don't get an error everything seems to work but the pumps will spin and then stop

[chunk78]

duplicate post

[slief]

Originally Posted by chunk78

I don't get an error everything seems to work but the pumps will spin and then stop

That is what they are supposed to do with that profile. When you have a minumum intensity of "0" that means that the pump will start at 0 intensity which is no power and then end at the max intensity. In my case, I have a constant pulse in some of my profiles which creates a wave motion in the tank. It would be good if you read through the thread as there are some explanations of how things are set to work.

There are several profiles that create different types of flow that change throughout the day. That said, every tank is different so you may want to play with the settings and tune them your tank. Divide by 10 essentially makes it so the pump spins up and or down in fractions of a second. If you remove divide by 10, the spin up and down will take seconds depending on the On Time and Off Time you have set.

So in the profile below (Wave2), the min intensity is 0 and max is 100. Divide by 10 is enabled. That means the pump will start at 0 intensity or Off and end at 100. The On Time is 7 and Off time is 4. It will run at 100 for 7 tenths of a second and be off for 4 tenths of a second. If you were to remove divide by 10, it would be on at 100% power for 7 seconds and off for 4 seconds. If you change the Minimum intensity to 30, the pump would run from 30% power to 100% power.

[aleithol]

Chunk78: FWIW, with Tunze controllable pumps, something I learned and validated a while back is best practice is to drive the ramp (intensity) from 30% up to whatever you want it to be... Never start at 0%. Issue as validated by Roger at Tunze USA is the pumps will wear a lot faster if you try to drive them from 1-29%. There apparently isn't enough voltage to consistently start them spinning until 30%. ...so, while the Apex will accept something like 0%-100% in a profile since it does not know there is a Tunze pump plugged in to the varspeed port, and the controller or VDM will drive that voltage to your pump as you request, the pump won't really do anything until it hits about 30% intensity. If you slow timing down, you'll see how the pumps sorta stall at the beginning of a 0%-> ramp. It's in that period of time getting to 30%, where the additional wear will take place.

The question at least for me then became, how do you turn the pumps off? Answer is set them to 0% intensity or better yet so you don't waste a precious profile, just turn them OFF in advanced programming. ...then the next question was what happens if you turn the pump ON in advanced programming or via a dashboard slider? Answer is it runs at 100% intensity.

[chunk78]

thank you for the reply. When I initially set up the program they seemed to work. When they started going through the timers they stopped. I have a good understanding of how the profiles work. It isn't an issue that they go off and are building to 100% they aren't working at all. Just to check I just moved all of my minimum intensities to 30% which means they should never be off and there is still no movement. I am programming them through Apex and have been assuming the updates are getting to the apex. I will log on locally to ensure all is good.

[chunk78]

I just did a little physical trouble shooting. As long as the control cable is removed the pumps are working. I have 4 Var ports two on the apex and one on a VDM. Regardless of what port it is connected to the pumps stop spinning. If there is nothing wrong with the program do I have a bad cable? or do have some of the pfoviles on the wrong type or wrong outlets?

[aleithol]

I've not stared at all your programming yet as it takes a while via my iPad and all the images... I assume though if you use the dashboard and turn each of your pumps ON using the slider, they stay on. When you turn them OFF, they stay OFF, and you otherwise have them set on AUTO to ensure your programming is executing.

If so, and your pumps come on for only brief periods, I assume you've triple checked your profiles, then I'd look to be sure any OSC statements related to your pumps are correct, then, I'd go in and turn on logging for your pumps and related outlets. Start them going, then go look at your log when they come on and off... That may help identify where or what is or isn't working right. ...at least perhaps a different path for you to try with problem determination... Good luck.

[chunk78]

Thanks for talking through this. It turns out that my V1/V2 port on my base unit is bad. I set the control for my VDM and all is good. Thank you

[aleithol]

Yup, NP. BTW, it's normal with Tunze pumps if you disconnect them from the controller they go to 100%.... Another one of those learning points.

Be sure to open an incident with Neptune Support and get help with that controller repair.