I Fragged My Carpet Last Night - Page 5

BonsaiNut · 09/11/2006, 04:13 PM

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55semireef · 09/11/2006, 04:18 PM

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No problem. So phender, how are the nems today? Any changes?

phender · 09/11/2006, 04:31 PM

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No problem. So phender, how are the nems today? Any changes?

I am liking my decision to trade the anemone's placements. The one that is now in the tank has established a foothold in a crevice that it is not likely to wander from and it tentacles, especially near the edges are almost completely inflated.
The smaller half that was moved to the basket seems to enjoy the extra light and is also having better tentacle extention and density.

No pics today. I have work to do that I have been putting off for a week and takes too long to edit and post the pics.

keefsama2003 · 09/12/2006, 04:41 AM

congrats phil we will all be patiently awaiting word.

well patiently is relative to we wanna see more pics now :-p but either way good job

Rod Buehler · 09/12/2006, 06:08 AM

Great thread Phil! Thanks!! You have a lot more guts than I'll ever have!. Sorry to hear about you fishes!

delphinus · 09/14/2006, 04:16 PM

Hi Phil,

Two questions I've thought of ...

1) Do you think you might have preferred to use a scalpel such as this one instead of the filet knife? Or would still prefer to use the filet knife to make the incisions?

2) How soon did the carpet begin to slime up when you went to remove from the tank? I know when I've tried to move my magnifica, it would slime up immediately that I would get my hands on it to move it, whereas my carpets that I have moved (only gigantea and haddoni) have generally not been too bad in this regard. I wonder how much it depends on how they are attached however, such as out in the open versus intertwined into a cave or opening in a rock.

phender · 09/14/2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by delphinus
Hi Phil,

Two questions I've thought of ...

1) Do you think you might have preferred to use a scalpel such as this one instead of the filet knife? Or would still prefer to use the filet knife to make the incisions?

Actually I think I would have used something like this and extended the blade all the way out:

The tissue was just too deep to use a scalpel or razor blade. I would have had to make 4 or 5 cuts in the same place just to get down to the foot. Since the anemone reacts to the cuts, it would be difficult IMO, to make 4 cuts over the same spot and avoid hacking up the cut line.

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2) How soon did the carpet begin to slime up when you went to remove from the tank? I know when I've tried to move my magnifica, it would slime up immediately that I would get my hands on it to move it, whereas my carpets that I have moved (only gigantea and haddoni) have generally not been too bad in this regard. I wonder how much it depends on how they are attached however, such as out in the open versus intertwined into a cave or opening in a rock.

Mertens attach a little like magnifica. They are pretty easy to dislodge once you get it started and they don't find every little crevice in the rock to wedge their foot into. They are not quite as out in the open as magnifica, but nowhere near as bad as BTAs.
It slimes a little when you start messing with it, but when you begin to lift it out of the water it makes an incredible amount of slime. As soon as it has to support its own weight, it becomes very difficult to keep the anemone in your hands, it is so slippery. I put it into an empty 5 gal. bucket to see if it would release a little water. When I took it out, the slime left in the bucket was an inch deep. It hadn't released much water at all.

I took some new pics in a few hours. I need to walk the dog and get some work done first.

delphinus · 09/14/2006, 08:24 PM

Cool, thanks for the info. I'm going to setup an isolation tank for my carpet and when that's done I might try to ante up the courage to try this as well. If I do so, I'll for sure post a thread in here too. But it will be weeks away as I have a lot of prep to do. Anyhow looking forward to the next round of pics.

phender · 09/14/2006, 09:12 PM

I've got some good news and some not so good news.
The larger half is doing great. It is now eating mysis. It is even puffing out its stomach tissue to eat. The column has come up and closed the mouth. The anemone is sort of in a heart shape.
The cut is at ~10 o'clock. The smaller anemone is in the front

the mouth

I had a little mishap with my basket anemone. The sump went low on water and started pumping air. This usually isn't a big deal, but for some reason the anemone got a lot of air trapped in its body. I moved the anemone to the tank in hopes that the air would move up and out and that the clown would "massage" the anemone a little. I was actually a lot worse than this pic looks.

The air was not able to diffuse out of the tissues and I figured that I needed to get the air out since it had been in there about 24 hrs. Sometimes the air would go into the tentacles and sometimes it would just gather in the edges of the disk. I decided to take very sharp scissors and release the air from the pockets in the anemone. In some cases I cut tiny holes in the edge of the disk, in other cases I cut the tips of the tentacles. I figured it couldn't be any worse than cutting it in half. So far I seem to have relieved most of the pressure. The anemone doesn't look great, but I have this strange feeling that it's going to be OK. At least it doesn't want to float to the top of the tank anymore.

dc · 09/14/2006, 09:57 PM

Hopefully it will pull out of it.

boyooso · 09/14/2006, 11:19 PM

OOHHH!!

Wow, I hope it works out, Good Luck!

Are you getting cut happy? Just Kidding-sorry :-)

Corey

1jared1 · 09/15/2006, 08:31 AM

good luck!

55semireef · 09/15/2006, 09:39 PM

Good luck.

Flighty · 09/16/2006, 06:24 AM

I bet that won't hurt it.

55semireef · 09/16/2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Flighty
I bet that won't hurt it.

It probably put stress on it which can build up.

boyooso · 09/18/2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by 55semireef
It probably put stress on it which can build up.

FWIW I am sure it is true, but we should be offering Phender support!

Sorry for my comment.

What is the latest news?

Corey

55semireef · 09/18/2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by boyooso
FWIW I am sure it is true, but we should be offering Phender support!

Sorry for my comment.

What is the latest news?

Corey

According to Phender, he has about 20 years of experience which is all the support he needs.

showjet98 · 09/18/2006, 10:20 PM

good job Phil! and to think I use to hand feed that Cap clown everyday

defi. the most friendly clown Ive ever seen!

reef runt · 09/19/2006, 07:32 AM

bump? any news

keefsama2003 · 09/19/2006, 07:51 AM

hopefully things are going so great he got busy with something else

phender · 09/19/2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by keefsama2003
hopefully things are going so great he got busy with something else

Well you are half right. I'm very busy for a couple more days so I will make this brief.
The larger half is doing great. It ate half a large silverside the other day and it continues to eat mysis when I feed that. Its not that excited about other foods I feed the fish at this time. It looks like a perfectly healthy anemone. You don't usually even notice the gap.

The problemed half develped a couple dead spots near one of the cut edges. I suspect they were caused by the trapped air, but I have no proof. The area around the dead spots was very limp, so I decided to do a little more surgery. I took the anemone out and used a razor blade to cut off the part that was limp from mouth to edge. I have some pics but that will have to wait.
The anemone now looks a lot better. I know that has put the anemone under additional stress, but the alternative was to let the dead tissue infect the whole rest of the anemone. If I had done nothing, I'm sure I would have lost it. At least now it has a chance.

Thanks for the interest.

OrionN · 09/19/2006, 07:58 PM

Great. Goodluck.

dantodd · 09/19/2006, 10:27 PM

Thanks for the update Phil. Best of luck. I hope this turns into the first merten's propogation farm. I know I'd like a captive bred mertens one day!

55semireef · 09/20/2006, 05:20 PM

Good luck and keep updating.

Mahlhavoc · 09/22/2006, 01:20 PM

Very curious, hows everything looking?

09/12/2006, 04:41 AM	#104
keefsama2003 Registered Member. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: long island Ny Posts: 3,635	congrats phil we will all be patiently awaiting word. well patiently is relative to we wanna see more pics now :-p but either way good job __________________ { Something witty and entertaining } Current Tank Info: 300g / 90gal sump / 90 gal refugium / 3x54watt T5 bulbs

09/12/2006, 06:08 AM	#105
Rod Buehler Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: DeKalb, IL Posts: 3,070	Great thread Phil! Thanks!! You have a lot more guts than I'll ever have!. Sorry to hear about you fishes! __________________ Rod Buehler Biodiversity matters because all life on earth has a right to exist. Current Tank Info: many

09/14/2006, 04:16 PM	#106
delphinus Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Calgary, AB., Canada Posts: 1,453	Hi Phil, Two questions I've thought of ... 1) Do you think you might have preferred to use a scalpel such as this one instead of the filet knife? Or would still prefer to use the filet knife to make the incisions? 2) How soon did the carpet begin to slime up when you went to remove from the tank? I know when I've tried to move my magnifica, it would slime up immediately that I would get my hands on it to move it, whereas my carpets that I have moved (only gigantea and haddoni) have generally not been too bad in this regard. I wonder how much it depends on how they are attached however, such as out in the open versus intertwined into a cave or opening in a rock. __________________ -Tony My next hobby will be flooding my basement while repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall and tearing up $100 bills. Whee! Current Tank Info: 280g Reef, 65g FOWLR

09/14/2006, 08:24 PM	#108
delphinus Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Calgary, AB., Canada Posts: 1,453	Cool, thanks for the info. I'm going to setup an isolation tank for my carpet and when that's done I might try to ante up the courage to try this as well. If I do so, I'll for sure post a thread in here too. But it will be weeks away as I have a lot of prep to do. Anyhow looking forward to the next round of pics. __________________ -Tony My next hobby will be flooding my basement while repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall and tearing up $100 bills. Whee! Current Tank Info: 280g Reef, 65g FOWLR

09/14/2006, 09:12 PM	#109
phender Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorba Linda, CA Posts: 4,561	I've got some good news and some not so good news. The larger half is doing great. It is now eating mysis. It is even puffing out its stomach tissue to eat. The column has come up and closed the mouth. The anemone is sort of in a heart shape. The cut is at ~10 o'clock. The smaller anemone is in the front the mouth I had a little mishap with my basket anemone. The sump went low on water and started pumping air. This usually isn't a big deal, but for some reason the anemone got a lot of air trapped in its body. I moved the anemone to the tank in hopes that the air would move up and out and that the clown would "massage" the anemone a little. I was actually a lot worse than this pic looks. The air was not able to diffuse out of the tissues and I figured that I needed to get the air out since it had been in there about 24 hrs. Sometimes the air would go into the tentacles and sometimes it would just gather in the edges of the disk. I decided to take very sharp scissors and release the air from the pockets in the anemone. In some cases I cut tiny holes in the edge of the disk, in other cases I cut the tips of the tentacles. I figured it couldn't be any worse than cutting it in half. So far I seem to have relieved most of the pressure. The anemone doesn't look great, but I have this strange feeling that it's going to be OK. At least it doesn't want to float to the top of the tank anymore. __________________ Phil Current Tank Info: 50 gal reef, used to have - 60 gal reef, 40 gal reef, 2-20 gal clownfish tanks which were also reefs.

09/14/2006, 09:57 PM	#110
dc Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wyoming Posts: 44,684	Hopefully it will pull out of it. __________________ Debi ~60 Cube~ Why? Because I said so of course. -Sent via Tapatalk Smoke Signals-

09/14/2006, 11:19 PM	#111
boyooso Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Flagstaff Posts: 475	OOHHH!! Wow, I hope it works out, Good Luck! Are you getting cut happy? Just Kidding-sorry :-) Corey __________________ nothing is true, everything is permitted -Hassan I sabbah Current Tank Info: 50 gallon fish-n-stuff tank

09/15/2006, 08:31 AM	#112
1jared1 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 65	good luck!

09/15/2006, 09:39 PM	#113
55semireef Moved On Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 5,322	Good luck.

09/16/2006, 06:24 AM	#114
Flighty Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Southern NH, USA Posts: 1,039	I bet that won't hurt it.

09/18/2006, 10:20 PM	#118
showjet98 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Claremont, Ca Posts: 1,027	good job Phil! and to think I use to hand feed that Cap clown everyday defi. the most friendly clown Ive ever seen!

09/19/2006, 07:32 AM	#119
reef runt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 296	bump? any news

09/19/2006, 07:51 AM	#120
keefsama2003 Registered Member. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: long island Ny Posts: 3,635	hopefully things are going so great he got busy with something else __________________ { Something witty and entertaining } Current Tank Info: 300g / 90gal sump / 90 gal refugium / 3x54watt T5 bulbs

09/19/2006, 07:58 PM	#122
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	Great. Goodluck.

09/19/2006, 10:27 PM	#123
dantodd Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Carlos, CA Posts: 2,546	Thanks for the update Phil. Best of luck. I hope this turns into the first merten's propogation farm. I know I'd like a captive bred mertens one day! __________________ collecting donations to build tanks for special needs kids. PM for more information. Current Tank Info: 10 gal nano-reef 96w PC -- 72 bowfront anemone/A. clarkii tank - 20L reef with mantis and A. melanopus

09/20/2006, 05:20 PM	#124
55semireef Moved On Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 5,322	Good luck and keep updating.

09/22/2006, 01:20 PM	#125
Mahlhavoc Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Blue Springs, Missouri Posts: 302	Very curious, hows everything looking?