Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it

tang named junkyard · 10/19/2013, 02:04 PM

I picked up a fish and most of the tank had ich. I dosed ginger powder and within a couple days ich is 100 percent gone. I know some will say no but this is the 3 rd time I've beat it over the last 4 years after simply adding ginger. I use to think it was just in the food but I have a yellow eye who is strictly and algae eater. His cleared up as well which tells me you can simply add it to the water. Everything else is snake oil imo. This is the only method with proven results. At least for me.

mark54321 · 10/19/2013, 02:16 PM

Interesting, how much do you add per gallon? Does it have any effect on corals or do you add to fish only?

Khemul · 10/19/2013, 02:34 PM

Tank transfer also works.

Reef Frog · 10/19/2013, 02:47 PM

Was this the first time you used ginger or have you had several or many similar results? How can you be sure it's not just a fortunate coincidence?

Just because I got over the flu the day after eating Mom's chicken soup does not make her soup a cure for the flu virus.

bigworm175 · 10/19/2013, 02:52 PM

"Was this the first time you used ginger or have you had several or many similar results? How can you be sure it's not just a fortunate coincidence?"

He stated he has done it 3 times. That doesn't mean it isn't a (3)coincidence(s), that it really is gone, or that it isn't. What is the science here?

Reef Frog · 10/19/2013, 03:06 PM

He sure did mention that and I missed it. This is interesting & would like to know more. I'm always respectfully skeptical about herbal remedies, especially when used for possibly fatal conditions.

If anecdotal evidence is strong, useful experiments on this could be worthwhile for the advanced, curious hobbyist.

tang named junkyard · 10/19/2013, 03:46 PM

First, about me. I've been in the hobby for over 15 years. I've tried every garlic/uv trick out there in my past reef keeping. On 3 seperate occasions (all happening by adding a fish that has had ich) I have cured the tank with ginger powder you can get at any albertsons. I usually mix it up with my sis shrimp and simply add it to tank. There is no exact amount other than sprinkling it on top and mixing it in. When you add it to to the tank the ginger shoots out in a cloud. This has no effect on corals, shrimp or snails. The results for me have been fairly quick showing immediate results in 24 hours. All signs of ich vanish and never return. The first time everyone kept saying its part of the cycle etc... But it never returns. 3 different times about a year apart with the same result to all fish involved, even blue tangs. I would use this method before garlic extract which never showed any results. Uv showed modest results.

paulhr · 10/19/2013, 03:47 PM

++ on what mark54321 said. What was the amount per gallon? What this applied to a QT or DT? For how long? Just powdered ginger, or the root itself?

tang named junkyard · 10/19/2013, 04:01 PM

Into the main display. I know it sounds crude but I wouldn't post if it was false. I let the cubes thaw then mixed it in and then let it freeze again. I'm thinking that simply adding 1/4 teaspoon daily for a couple days would work.

tang named junkyard · 10/19/2013, 04:06 PM

I just googled and it appears ginger is used for parasites in humans as well, especially intestinal.

i3oosted · 10/19/2013, 04:22 PM

Interesting, subscribed.

MBC2012 · 10/19/2013, 04:33 PM

very interesting. so you soak and then refreeze? then feed after thawing again?

Buzz1329 · 10/19/2013, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tang named junkyard

Into the main display. I know it sounds crude but I wouldn't post if it was false. I let the cubes thaw then mixed it in and then let it freeze again. I'm thinking that simply adding 1/4 teaspoon daily for a couple days would work.

Not sure I understand? What cubes are you referring to? Probably not cubes of frozen ginger, right? So you mix the powdered ginger with a cube of defrosted frozen fish food, refreeze it, and then feed it to DT?

Have you tried your alternative suggestion of "adding 1/4 teaspoon daily for a couple days" directly to DT?

Also, just playing the devil's advocate, if powdered ginger works, why have you apparently had 3 outbreaks of ich over past 4 years?

Thanks,

tang named junkyard · 10/19/2013, 07:35 PM

I buy the typical frozen mysis shrimp cubes you get everywhere. It can be anything. I let the cubes thaw which looks like soup I sprinkle the ginger on and mix it in. Nothing too scientific. Then I put it back in the freezer. Like I mentioned. I think you can add some directly to the water because there were fish that don't eat that which have been cured as well. It clouds up in the water some as soon as it thaws in your tank.

Because I buy fish from Petco and they suck with disease when I first get them.

Reef Frog · 10/19/2013, 08:15 PM

It sounds like folk medicine but maybe I should go get a fish at PetCo and see for myself. I have an empty QT...

I'm skeptical but have an open mind. But I used to give ginger for sea sickness to guests on my fishing boat who had concerns about puking, and I can't remember any of them doing the technicolor yawn, but some undosed individuals certainly did. I didn't believe it until I saw it, but always wondered about the placebo effect....

Wouldn't that be crazy, after all the studies, research & papers by fish biologists, all the copper, all the clocha clorio whatever, after all the millions of $$$ spent on UV, after all the tank transfers, after all the garlic & slime coat magic, that something so simple could actually work? It would be like if we discovered that yellow mustard cured diabetes.

Chevrefils · 10/19/2013, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Frog

It sounds like folk medicine but maybe I should go get a fish at PetCo and see for myself. I have an empty QT...

I'm skeptical but have an open mind. But I used to give ginger for sea sickness to guests on my fishing boat who had concerns about puking, and I can't remember any of them doing the technicolor yawn, but some undosed individuals certainly did. I didn't believe it until I saw it, but always wondered about the placebo effect....

Wouldn't that be crazy, after all the studies, research & papers by fish biologists, all the copper, all the clocha clorio whatever, after all the millions of $$$ spent on UV, after all the tank transfers, after all the garlic & slime coat magic, that something so simple could actually work? It would be like if we discovered that yellow mustard cured diabetes.

Try it out and make a thread while you're at it! i shall follow along!
It seems possible i always knew ginger was good for your stomach. I remember just as a little kid with a stomach virus and if we had ginger ale, i was getting some as it was "medicine" haha.

My QT will be available again in 1 week, maybe i will run a trial, now i just need an ich infested fish...

tang named junkyard · 10/19/2013, 10:30 PM

Dont take my word for it. Try it. You can search on here, I'm not the first to use ginger.

dkeller_nc · 10/20/2013, 07:00 AM

It's certainly not impossible that it could work. After all, almost all pharmaceutically active compounds originated in plants. But to really show this to be the case, one would need to deliberately infect some fish, cure them via the treatment, then show that the cured fish really are cured instead of just developing resistance to the parasite.

But it'd be well worthwhile, ich is a serious problem for food aquaculture - marine aquaria are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to food production, at least in monetary terms.

Meanmike · 10/20/2013, 07:11 AM

This doesn't prove anything I and many others don't qt and can put a fish with ich directly into the DT and not have it reappear all without any treatment what so ever.

mbingha · 10/20/2013, 07:14 AM

Interesting. I'm skeptical, but following along with an open mind. Would be a fantastic advancement for the hobby if this works.

Khemul · 10/20/2013, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meanmike

This doesn't prove anything I and many others don't qt and can put a fish with ich directly into the DT and not have it reappear all without any treatment what so ever.

And that is one the biggest problem for us non-scientists to experiment with ich and treatments.

Tank transfer works. We know this because multiple tank transfers is a method used to cure ich. One or two tank transfers can push the infection back under the threshold the fish can manage naturally. So simply moving them to a new tank is a potential treatment, making any results from a treatment done immediately after moving the fish to a new tank extremely difficult to judge.

ahmed_iAM · 10/20/2013, 11:28 AM

Interesting. I might go to petco's dollar sale and buy some freshwater fish to try this out on and see if it will work.

ridetheducati · 10/20/2013, 11:47 AM

Try keeping ginger root in the sump next to the garlic, vinegar, and alcohol.

knight2255 · 10/20/2013, 02:40 PM

interesting

michaellee64 · 10/20/2013, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahmed_iAM

Interesting. I might go to petco's dollar sale and buy some freshwater fish to try this out on and see if it will work.

Freshwater Ich (Ichthyophthirius multifiliis) and Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) are two completely different types of parasites. If you are going to try this experiment, buy a damsel as they are cheap and let us know how it goes? I'm very interested in this and tagging along to see how this turns out.

10/19/2013, 02:04 PM	#1
tang named junkyard Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: bakersfield Posts: 1,201	Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it I picked up a fish and most of the tank had ich. I dosed ginger powder and within a couple days ich is 100 percent gone. I know some will say no but this is the 3 rd time I've beat it over the last 4 years after simply adding ginger. I use to think it was just in the food but I have a yellow eye who is strictly and algae eater. His cleared up as well which tells me you can simply add it to the water. Everything else is snake oil imo. This is the only method with proven results. At least for me.

10/19/2013, 02:16 PM	#2
mark54321 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 2,040	Interesting, how much do you add per gallon? Does it have any effect on corals or do you add to fish only? __________________ ############## ______MARK_______ ##############

10/20/2013, 07:14 AM	#20
mbingha Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Southeast PA Posts: 730	Interesting. I'm skeptical, but following along with an open mind. Would be a fantastic advancement for the hobby if this works. __________________ 75 Gallon Mixed Reef in the works 30 Gallon Sump 28 Gallon JBJ 28 HQI

10/20/2013, 11:47 AM	#23
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	Try keeping ginger root in the sump next to the garlic, vinegar, and alcohol. __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

10/19/2013, 02:34 PM	#3
Khemul Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 988	Tank transfer also works.

10/19/2013, 02:47 PM	#4
Reef Frog Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,121	Was this the first time you used ginger or have you had several or many similar results? How can you be sure it's not just a fortunate coincidence? Just because I got over the flu the day after eating Mom's chicken soup does not make her soup a cure for the flu virus.

10/19/2013, 02:52 PM	#5
bigworm175 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denver Posts: 418	"Was this the first time you used ginger or have you had several or many similar results? How can you be sure it's not just a fortunate coincidence?" He stated he has done it 3 times. That doesn't mean it isn't a (3)coincidence(s), that it really is gone, or that it isn't. What is the science here?

10/19/2013, 03:06 PM	#6
Reef Frog Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,121	He sure did mention that and I missed it. This is interesting & would like to know more. I'm always respectfully skeptical about herbal remedies, especially when used for possibly fatal conditions. If anecdotal evidence is strong, useful experiments on this could be worthwhile for the advanced, curious hobbyist.

10/19/2013, 03:46 PM	#7
tang named junkyard Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: bakersfield Posts: 1,201	First, about me. I've been in the hobby for over 15 years. I've tried every garlic/uv trick out there in my past reef keeping. On 3 seperate occasions (all happening by adding a fish that has had ich) I have cured the tank with ginger powder you can get at any albertsons. I usually mix it up with my sis shrimp and simply add it to tank. There is no exact amount other than sprinkling it on top and mixing it in. When you add it to to the tank the ginger shoots out in a cloud. This has no effect on corals, shrimp or snails. The results for me have been fairly quick showing immediate results in 24 hours. All signs of ich vanish and never return. The first time everyone kept saying its part of the cycle etc... But it never returns. 3 different times about a year apart with the same result to all fish involved, even blue tangs. I would use this method before garlic extract which never showed any results. Uv showed modest results.

10/19/2013, 03:47 PM	#8
paulhr Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 31	++ on what mark54321 said. What was the amount per gallon? What this applied to a QT or DT? For how long? Just powdered ginger, or the root itself?

10/19/2013, 04:01 PM	#9
tang named junkyard Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: bakersfield Posts: 1,201	Into the main display. I know it sounds crude but I wouldn't post if it was false. I let the cubes thaw then mixed it in and then let it freeze again. I'm thinking that simply adding 1/4 teaspoon daily for a couple days would work.

10/19/2013, 04:06 PM	#10
tang named junkyard Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: bakersfield Posts: 1,201	I just googled and it appears ginger is used for parasites in humans as well, especially intestinal.

10/19/2013, 04:22 PM	#11
i3oosted Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 87	Interesting, subscribed.

10/19/2013, 04:33 PM	#12
MBC2012 life gets better daily Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 836	very interesting. so you soak and then refreeze? then feed after thawing again?

10/19/2013, 07:35 PM	#14
tang named junkyard Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: bakersfield Posts: 1,201	I buy the typical frozen mysis shrimp cubes you get everywhere. It can be anything. I let the cubes thaw which looks like soup I sprinkle the ginger on and mix it in. Nothing too scientific. Then I put it back in the freezer. Like I mentioned. I think you can add some directly to the water because there were fish that don't eat that which have been cured as well. It clouds up in the water some as soon as it thaws in your tank. Because I buy fish from Petco and they suck with disease when I first get them.

10/19/2013, 08:15 PM	#15
Reef Frog Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,121	It sounds like folk medicine but maybe I should go get a fish at PetCo and see for myself. I have an empty QT... I'm skeptical but have an open mind. But I used to give ginger for sea sickness to guests on my fishing boat who had concerns about puking, and I can't remember any of them doing the technicolor yawn, but some undosed individuals certainly did. I didn't believe it until I saw it, but always wondered about the placebo effect.... Wouldn't that be crazy, after all the studies, research & papers by fish biologists, all the copper, all the clocha clorio whatever, after all the millions of $$$ spent on UV, after all the tank transfers, after all the garlic & slime coat magic, that something so simple could actually work? It would be like if we discovered that yellow mustard cured diabetes.

10/19/2013, 10:30 PM	#17
tang named junkyard Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: bakersfield Posts: 1,201	Dont take my word for it. Try it. You can search on here, I'm not the first to use ginger.

10/20/2013, 07:00 AM	#18
dkeller_nc Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Central NC Posts: 5,062	It's certainly not impossible that it could work. After all, almost all pharmaceutically active compounds originated in plants. But to really show this to be the case, one would need to deliberately infect some fish, cure them via the treatment, then show that the cured fish really are cured instead of just developing resistance to the parasite. But it'd be well worthwhile, ich is a serious problem for food aquaculture - marine aquaria are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to food production, at least in monetary terms.

10/20/2013, 07:11 AM	#19
Meanmike Moved On Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Maine Posts: 473	This doesn't prove anything I and many others don't qt and can put a fish with ich directly into the DT and not have it reappear all without any treatment what so ever.

10/20/2013, 11:28 AM	#22
ahmed_iAM Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 419	Interesting. I might go to petco's dollar sale and buy some freshwater fish to try this out on and see if it will work.

10/20/2013, 02:40 PM	#24
knight2255 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 313	interesting