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Old 08/12/2006, 12:41 AM   #101
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Betadine works great and it's pretty cheap. You can find it at about any grocery store or pharmacy. It has 10% providine-iodine. The mix is 3ml betadine for every liter of water. Soak for a max of 25 minutes, then rinse the coral with clean saltwater. I tested this with about 30 frags and did not have any casualties.

I just finished setting up the 75 g and moved over all my acros, (man did that suck). Will probably dose the tank with betadine tonight or tomorrow.
I was just re-reading this post. You said you were going to dose your tank with betadine, rather than dip them for 25 minutes? Could you clarify your procedure with a little more detail please?


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Old 08/12/2006, 03:55 AM   #102
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I treated the Tyree frag with the 25 minute bath in Betadine, as suggested above.

I did blow off some larger flatworms, but after the coral was removed and the water settled, I didn't find any of them. I wonder if they dissolved entirely.

Here are some eggs I scraped off the coral before putting it back in my tank.



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Old 08/12/2006, 09:02 AM   #103
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I recently dipped a red milli frag in TMPCC (which is just some form of iodine)....the flatworms dropped off and they did pretty much dissolve/fall apart shortly afterwards while I was trying to take some pictures.......I used the recommended dosage on the bottle.

IMO quarantine for an extended period with TMPCC/Betadine/Providone/Iodine dips is the way to go on these critters.

Has anyone witnessed the eggs hatching yet? Curious if the juvies are identical to the adults?


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Old 08/14/2006, 01:00 PM   #104
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Marc,
i just read about your AEFW. I am sorry to hear you have them. I have the regular flatworms but they are a pain too. You work so hard on your tank and helping others. I wish I could say something to help but I do not have experience with the products you are referencing. The best of luck in irradicating the nasty buggers.

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Old 08/14/2006, 02:39 PM   #105
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I was wondering, could I just setup a large rubbermaid tube from Walmart or something, take out all the rock that has my SPS corals attached and bath both the rocks and SPS corals in a betadine bath?


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Old 08/14/2006, 03:00 PM   #106
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It will kill off stuff on the coral, and odds are on the live rock. I watched starfish fall off, amphipods, and of course the flatworms.


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Old 08/14/2006, 03:06 PM   #107
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I agree that it will probably kill off whatever is alive on the rock but to me treating the whole rock is much easier than pulling every SPS of each live rock which is totally encrusted.

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The corals you treat, are pulling the coral off the live rock or if the coral is pretty encrusted, will you just treat the whole rock and coral?


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Old 08/14/2006, 03:09 PM   #108
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I've only treated the one piece that was obviously infected. I've not taken any course of action yet regarding all the acropora sp. in my reef.


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Old 08/14/2006, 03:49 PM   #109
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TMPCC is the way to go IMO. I know other cures are out there. I just started my battle on these and redbugs yesterday, removing about 7 golfball sized colonies and 8 or so frags and dipping 2X strength TMPCC.

I loved watching the AEFW just peel off the acro, fall to the bottom and squirm until they dissolve. Redbugs float to the surface in about 10 min.

1 week down, 4 to go.


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Old 08/14/2006, 04:04 PM   #110
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The Betadine treatment. Its 1 liter of Salt or Fresh water and I can do 1 gallon for 12ml correct? I know that may sound stupid but thought I should ask.


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Old 08/14/2006, 04:53 PM   #111
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The europeans recommend a 3 mls / liter of water for 20/25 minutes bath.


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Old 08/14/2006, 05:06 PM   #112
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I'm assuming Saltwater correct?


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Old 08/14/2006, 05:23 PM   #113
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The TMPCC works on BOTH red bugs AND AEFW?? If so, I'm going to switch to this for a dip on all incoming corals. Where can I get this online?

Sorry to hear that you're "infected" Marc. That really bites. I always look to your website and podcasts for help on all topics. Look at it this way...this is just another subject you can become an expert on and share your knowledge with the rest of us.


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Old 08/14/2006, 05:33 PM   #114
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Betadine is a much cheaper solution that will kill both annulids and arthropods. TMPCC is a great dip, but is very costly. Marc is using Betadine.


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Are red bugs and AEFW annulids and arthropods? Sorry, never was very good in biology. I currently use interceptor and levamisol. Can I replace both with the betadine? That would be great because I've had some coral losses in the levamisol dip - that stuff is deadly!


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Old 08/14/2006, 06:37 PM   #116
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I used one liter of reef tank water, and added 3 ml of betadine. The flatworms dissolved completely. The coral lost some color in the process, but didn't die - yet.

I had it soaking for 25 minutes, using a timer. A turkey baster was used to squirt the coral about every 5 minutes. Then a dental tool to scrape away the eggs I saw within the coral's core.


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Old 08/14/2006, 09:11 PM   #117
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marc please let us know if the coral pulls through.


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Old 08/14/2006, 10:52 PM   #118
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I will. It was relocated to a semi-safe spot, but something knocked it down. I'd prefer not to handle it yet again, but will probably use some tweezers tomorrow to put it up higher in the tank again.

After that, I'll take a picture of it in its current state.


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Old 08/15/2006, 09:31 AM   #119
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What is the difference between Betadine, Lugols, TMPCC and Seachem Reef Dip? Aren't they all some form of iodine? Is the Betadine more effective than the others??


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Old 08/15/2006, 11:06 PM   #120
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hey guys, interesting thread going on here...just wondering if anyone could provide the links to the other threads that are the most helpful?

sparkss- you seem to know all about them, do ya have the links

thanks, and good luck everyone


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Old 08/15/2006, 11:52 PM   #121
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starrd27- All of the treatment that you have listed are iodine based. From what i have found in all the AEFW forums is that TMPCC, Betadine and Levamisole QT/dips are the most effective. Levamisole treatment which is a pig dewormer is the treatment that i am currently using. I pick Levamisole b/c it is cheaper than the other and just as effective from what i have read.


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Old 08/16/2006, 06:03 AM   #122
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Dejavu - I have been using the Levamisol for dips on incoming corals. The problem for me is that I've lost some corals in the dip. Have you? I was hoping to find an effective, inexpensive less harsh treatment. I am hoping Betadine is the solution, but am curious about the others listed as well (TMPCC, etc).


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Old 08/16/2006, 06:20 AM   #123
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I've been using TMPCC for a while on incoming corals. I lost alot of acros to the Levamisole treatment, but almost no monti's... I haven't had any directly related TMPCC losses yet. Still trying to figure out what I did on the Levamisole treatment that gave me such bad results... No AEFW's, though.


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Old 08/16/2006, 09:29 AM   #124
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I have had poor results with the levamisole treatements also (poor results == lost acros). Not sure why, I have a heater and fan set up on a temp controller, 2 powerheads on a wavemaker, a remora HOB skimmer with carbon and purigen in the output and an eco canister filter filled with carbon. The last 2 were added at 1 day intervals after the initial treatement, adding carbon, then purigen bags then the canister filter, giving each one a day to see the affect. The water is not so cloudy, but it is still far from optimal, and we are still loosing corals. All corals were shaken in the treatment tank then rinsed in tank water (any with pourous plugs or base rock were soaked for 5 - 10 mins in fresh tank water) then they were all placed into the second, clean, freshly filled, treatment tank. They were no closer than they occassionally got in our prop tank, so I am doubtful of the proximity to each other being the issue.

We are extremely reluctant to do the second levi treatment for fear of losing even more corals, but I will say that the first treatment tank had thousands of dead and/or dieing AEFWs of all sizes on the bottom of it when we were finished. *shudder*


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I'm not sure of the ingredients of TMPCC, i'm sure iodine is one of them. But this is a MUCH more effective dip than just iodine, i've tried that and the AEFW take awhile to be affected. I have yet to lose an acro using TMPCC, so the extra cost is worth it to me.


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