New Stream Holder and proper use of mounting hardware

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:28 PM

This is the new Turbelle Stream Deco Holder. Imagine it covered in coralline and polyps and you can imagine it would be nearly invisible. The Stream simply inserts into a coupler of suitable sized PVc and his held in place by friction, you then place it atop a live rock column. No rock should be placed on top of the holder.

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:31 PM

Here is the holder in use in it's native environment, a european trimless tank. Before you start saying how this won't work here, and I will show you how the holder works on an Ocanic and other tanks, realize that in Europe, their are over 600 Tunze dealers. In the US, we have 12.

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:32 PM

For Stream

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:34 PM

And for Comline filter units

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:37 PM

A german bow front aquarium, note the aquarium in the back, it has trim and lid, but the trim and lid are one piece and come off as a unit.

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:40 PM

How a perimeter mount with thin glass strips is handled, part of kit 3000.244

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:42 PM

Here is an aquarium from Portugal, such aquariums are typical in France and Britain, Jewel offers a similar tank with tall narrow trim. Incidently, these installs are the most complicated and the new magnet holder is being designed with these models in mind.

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:46 PM

Another typical design used in Germany or France. Trim is not applied to back and simply a light shielding/aesthetic device.

rvitko · 05/09/2003, 09:49 PM

You can see how the holder was a good solution for the native market and for a German aquarist it is identical in many ways to the holders of Sanders and the Eheim Power Pack model Internal Filters. In the next couple days I will detail install mods for US tanks and how to do it right.

ktani · 05/09/2003, 10:20 PM

Excellent. I look forward to reading further information. Thanks for the pics.

skeets · 05/11/2003, 11:52 AM

Sounds good. I got on a list for two tunze streams and am going to need to figure out how to rig them up so that they can be mounted under a 5 inch brace. I know that in my sump i have a 40gal that has a trim(i guess you call it that, the lip around the top of the tank). And i have one of your osmomolaters(top offs) and i know it is really flimsy and if I bump it, it falls off. I cant have a powerhead falling off. I tried tightening it down good, and ended up breaking the plastic screw. =/ Maybe you can set me straight heeh.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 12:05 PM

I need to take some pictures for the new catalogue tonight, hopefully I will have the photos online today or tomorrow.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:22 PM

Here is the rail with accessory kit 3000.244 for use on all plastic trimmed glass tanks. Note the blackened steel screws and the suction cup.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:23 PM

Here is the holder on a new Oceanic tank trim, detail from top.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:24 PM

Here is the rail with kit 3000.244 in use with a 7410/2, the concept is the same for the Stream.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:27 PM

Here is the use of kit 3000.26 for perimeter brace, acrylic is pretty rare in texas because we don't have earthquakes and are too close to Mexico where glass is cheap. Besides Oceanic is here, this is on an Oceanic 240 but the concept is the same for Acrylic.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:28 PM

Here it is installed

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:30 PM

Admittedly, this is a prototype pump with a prototype 3000.26 set so here is the instructions for the real deal, it is nicer than what i am using.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:34 PM

You will notice on the left side of the instruction sheet that two other options exist for this set, a simple extension and permanent afixation with silicon. The permanent mount can only be done on a new tank and for best results the glass should be lightly scuffed in the area where the fiberglass plates will be applied by using a scotchbright pad. It has to be the real deal 3M Scotchbrite as the generic ones won't scuff glass. Use alcohol to clean up and apply a sugar cube sized dollop of silicon to the fiberglass plates after you have screwed the rail to it and applied the mounting post for the pump. The fiberglass forms a very good bond to the glass when applied in this manner.

rvitko · 05/11/2003, 06:36 PM

Another possibility is to drill small holes in the acrylic overflow box and screw the rail directly to the overflow with plastic hardware either included or from the hardware store, care must be taken to insure a water tight seal and some silicon should be used, the ideal solution is a screw, the rail, a washer,hole with screw passed through and silicon applied, another washer and a nut.

skeets · 05/11/2003, 09:38 PM

Any chance you could get a good detailed picture up of how to mount with a large brace? You may be doing that in one of the pictures but only have a top down view. Id like to see a couple angles and how its all put together if you get the chance. I would appreciate it alot, because I have a rather large glass brace, and im sure there are some other people too that would like to see that setup. You are great, thanks for the pictures, i see what i did wrong on my top off =D

rvitko · 05/12/2003, 07:35 AM

I will see what I can do! My plan is to make a movie of the assembly process and post it in this forum but that may take a while.

moonpod · 05/12/2003, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rvitko
This is the new Turbelle Stream Deco Holder. Imagine it covered in coralline and polyps and you can imagine it would be nearly invisible. The Stream simply inserts into a coupler of suitable sized PVc and his held in place by friction, you then place it atop a live rock column. No rock should be placed on top of the holder.

what are these gonna run? Much more attractive than the rails IMO....
Hey, did you get the branch adaptor back?

Mexican Hermit · 05/12/2003, 09:38 AM

Roger,

I ordered my 6000 on Friday from MD. I have a Tenecor acrylic tank and I am a little afraid that the holder will not work. My tank is virtually closed. I do have one opening at the back that measures as follows:

1.5" wide and 5" long and an inch from the back. It was built this way for a future seaswirl. Can I place the 6000 there and swivel it to where I want it?

moonpod · 05/12/2003, 11:54 AM

you need the accessory kit to attach the thing to an acrylic tank. The pix are posted above.

05/09/2003, 09:28 PM	#1
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	New Stream Holder and proper use of mounting hardware This is the new Turbelle Stream Deco Holder. Imagine it covered in coralline and polyps and you can imagine it would be nearly invisible. The Stream simply inserts into a coupler of suitable sized PVc and his held in place by friction, you then place it atop a live rock column. No rock should be placed on top of the holder. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:31 PM	#2
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Here is the holder in use in it's native environment, a european trimless tank. Before you start saying how this won't work here, and I will show you how the holder works on an Ocanic and other tanks, realize that in Europe, their are over 600 Tunze dealers. In the US, we have 12. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:32 PM	#3
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	For Stream __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:34 PM	#4
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	And for Comline filter units __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:37 PM	#5
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	A german bow front aquarium, note the aquarium in the back, it has trim and lid, but the trim and lid are one piece and come off as a unit. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:40 PM	#6
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	How a perimeter mount with thin glass strips is handled, part of kit 3000.244 __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:42 PM	#7
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Here is an aquarium from Portugal, such aquariums are typical in France and Britain, Jewel offers a similar tank with tall narrow trim. Incidently, these installs are the most complicated and the new magnet holder is being designed with these models in mind. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:46 PM	#8
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Another typical design used in Germany or France. Trim is not applied to back and simply a light shielding/aesthetic device. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 09:49 PM	#9
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	You can see how the holder was a good solution for the native market and for a German aquarist it is identical in many ways to the holders of Sanders and the Eheim Power Pack model Internal Filters. In the next couple days I will detail install mods for US tanks and how to do it right. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/09/2003, 10:20 PM	#10
ktani Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,979	Excellent. I look forward to reading further information. Thanks for the pics.

05/11/2003, 11:52 AM	#11
skeets Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 820	Sounds good. I got on a list for two tunze streams and am going to need to figure out how to rig them up so that they can be mounted under a 5 inch brace. I know that in my sump i have a 40gal that has a trim(i guess you call it that, the lip around the top of the tank). And i have one of your osmomolaters(top offs) and i know it is really flimsy and if I bump it, it falls off. I cant have a powerhead falling off. I tried tightening it down good, and ended up breaking the plastic screw. =/ Maybe you can set me straight heeh.

05/11/2003, 12:05 PM	#12
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	I need to take some pictures for the new catalogue tonight, hopefully I will have the photos online today or tomorrow. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:22 PM	#13
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Here is the rail with accessory kit 3000.244 for use on all plastic trimmed glass tanks. Note the blackened steel screws and the suction cup. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:23 PM	#14
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Here is the holder on a new Oceanic tank trim, detail from top. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:24 PM	#15
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Here is the rail with kit 3000.244 in use with a 7410/2, the concept is the same for the Stream. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:27 PM	#16
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Here is the use of kit 3000.26 for perimeter brace, acrylic is pretty rare in texas because we don't have earthquakes and are too close to Mexico where glass is cheap. Besides Oceanic is here, this is on an Oceanic 240 but the concept is the same for Acrylic. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:28 PM	#17
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Here it is installed __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:30 PM	#18
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Admittedly, this is a prototype pump with a prototype 3000.26 set so here is the instructions for the real deal, it is nicer than what i am using. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:34 PM	#19
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	You will notice on the left side of the instruction sheet that two other options exist for this set, a simple extension and permanent afixation with silicon. The permanent mount can only be done on a new tank and for best results the glass should be lightly scuffed in the area where the fiberglass plates will be applied by using a scotchbright pad. It has to be the real deal 3M Scotchbrite as the generic ones won't scuff glass. Use alcohol to clean up and apply a sugar cube sized dollop of silicon to the fiberglass plates after you have screwed the rail to it and applied the mounting post for the pump. The fiberglass forms a very good bond to the glass when applied in this manner. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 06:36 PM	#20
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Another possibility is to drill small holes in the acrylic overflow box and screw the rail directly to the overflow with plastic hardware either included or from the hardware store, care must be taken to insure a water tight seal and some silicon should be used, the ideal solution is a screw, the rail, a washer,hole with screw passed through and silicon applied, another washer and a nut. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/11/2003, 09:38 PM	#21
skeets Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 820	Any chance you could get a good detailed picture up of how to mount with a large brace? You may be doing that in one of the pictures but only have a top down view. Id like to see a couple angles and how its all put together if you get the chance. I would appreciate it alot, because I have a rather large glass brace, and im sure there are some other people too that would like to see that setup. You are great, thanks for the pictures, i see what i did wrong on my top off =D

05/12/2003, 07:35 AM	#22
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	I will see what I can do! My plan is to make a movie of the assembly process and post it in this forum but that may take a while. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/12/2003, 09:38 AM	#24
Mexican Hermit Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mexico City Posts: 1,120	Roger, I ordered my 6000 on Friday from MD. I have a Tenecor acrylic tank and I am a little afraid that the holder will not work. My tank is virtually closed. I do have one opening at the back that measures as follows: 1.5" wide and 5" long and an inch from the back. It was built this way for a future seaswirl. Can I place the 6000 there and swivel it to where I want it? __________________ Mexican Hermit You will never be happy with your Aqua-escaping. The difference between men and boys is the price of their reefs! Current Tank Info: 120g tank(Tenecor rectangular tank); Skimmer: Aqua Ev 240, 1' reefugium, 2 250 MH 10K , 1 stream , 2 mag 12's...

05/12/2003, 11:54 AM	#25
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	you need the accessory kit to attach the thing to an acrylic tank. The pix are posted above.