How to build a CO2 regulator for your calcium reactor.

[jimmy007]

My reg is a parker and yes it use a vcr fitting. I think the washer I got is not the right one the outside diameter is too big it and will not fit into the reg input.

The seal should fit inside the reg right?

[royvoss]

yes, i can double check the part number when i get home tonight, i have should on or two extras in my spare bag of trick.

[jimmy007]

yes, i can double check the part number when i get home tonight, i have should on or two extras in my spare bag of trick.

Ok thanks.

[royvoss]

just checked the part is correct for the vcr seal,

parker part number 4GVG-SS 1/4 vcr face seal


http://www.parker.com/portal/site/PARKER/menuitem.bb22d5a82bbb5b147cf26710237ad1ca/?vgnextoid=a2d9b5bbec622110VgnVCM10000032a71dacRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2d9b5bbec622110VgnVCM10000032a71dacRCRD&vgnextfmt=DA&vgnextcatid=1801&vgnextcat=GVG&vgnextdiv=938256&vgnextpartno=4%20GVG-SS&Wtky=

[jimmy007]

just checked the part is correct for the vcr seal,

parker part number 4GVG-SS 1/4 vcr face seal


http://www.parker.com/portal/site/PARKER/menuitem.bb22d5a82bbb5b147cf26710237ad1ca/?vgnextoid=a2d9b5bbec622110VgnVCM10000032a71dacRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2d9b5bbec622110VgnVCM10000032a71dacRCRD&vgnextfmt=DA&vgnextcatid=1801&vgnextcat=GVG&vgnextdiv=938256&vgnextpartno=4%20GVG-SS&Wtky=

Thanks for the part #; will contact them.

[alanle]

Hi Alanle, will this work?

http://ebay.us/ZTyR1f

That regulator will work. The price is high. Consider you have to spend another ~$200 bucks for the CGA 320 nipple, fittings, solenoid, needle vavle, bubble counter. I would not pay more than $70 for the reg.

[naterealbig]

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[naterealbig]

That regulator will work. The price is high. Consider you have to spend another ~$200 bucks for the CGA 320 nipple, fittings, solenoid, needle vavle, bubble counter. I would not pay more than $70 for the reg.

Ok thank you! This is very helpful. I'll keep looking.

[cymen]

Would anyone who has built a best bang for the buck chime in with what they built, how it's working and what it cost? I'm interested and as pretty as stainless is, I'd rather save the money and get the minimum needed to work (but work well). It'd be great to see more budget builds. I don't care if it's ugly!

[ReefInterest]

Would anyone who has built a best bang for the buck chime in with what they built, how it's working and what it cost? I'm interested and as pretty as stainless is, I'd rather save the money and get the minimum needed to work (but work well). It'd be great to see more budget builds. I don't care if it's ugly!

I think the most important thing to consider in a regulator is supply pressure effect. For whatever regulator yoiu buy, make sure you get the spec sheet (and that you aren' going to gas all your fish).

[cymen]

I think the most important thing to consider in a regulator is supply pressure effect. For whatever regulator yoiu buy, make sure you get the spec sheet (and that you aren' going to gas all your fish).

Did you put one together?

But by "best bang for the buck" I don't mean cheap crap. It's more some of the builds here have mismatched brass and stainless steel parts and it seemed there was some reluctance to post the cheaper builds due to all the super beautiful stainless steel builds. The beautiful builds are really nice but brass is just fine with me or a mix of SS/brass.

So I'm not asking for cheap crap but rather the builds someone might have hesitated to post because they aren't as beautiful. But maybe I'm wrong and everyone is going SS because if you're patient, you can get them on eBay for good prices.

[ReefInterest]

Did you put one together?

But by "best bang for the buck" I don't mean cheap crap. It's more some of the builds here have mismatched brass and stainless steel parts and it seemed there was some reluctance to post the cheaper builds due to all the super beautiful stainless steel builds. The beautiful builds are really nice but brass is just fine with me or a mix of SS/brass.

So I'm not asking for cheap crap but rather the builds someone might have hesitated to post because they aren't as beautiful. But maybe I'm wrong and everyone is going SS because if you're patient, you can get them on eBay for good prices.

I've built both brass and SS. I try not to mix the metals as we are working in a wet environment and I want to avoid galvanic corrosion. SS is nice and, yes, you can get some really nice items on Ebay if you are patient. I've got one I'm giving to a friend with a SS Veriflo regulator (single state, but low supply pressure effect) with a beautiful Swiss gauge.

[alanle]

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[DamonG]

Just curious, as I'm new to calcium reactors, and not too comfortable upgrading the parts on my current regulator(reef fanatic), what you guys think of these:

http://greenleafaquariums.com/products/gla-gro-1-co2-regulator.html

Or, should I leave my fears, and say, just upgrade the parts on my regulator? Learning about them add I upgrade the parts? Like I was thinking first about a new needle valve, and possibly new gauges?

What would you all suggest to a noob, wanting to learn, lol, but not wanting to poison himself and his significant other.. [emoji4] [emoji4] [emoji4]

[alanle]

Just curious, as I'm new to calcium reactors, and not too comfortable upgrading the parts on my current regulator(reef fanatic), what you guys think of these:

http://greenleafaquariums.com/products/gla-gro-1-co2-regulator.html

Or, should I leave my fears, and say, just upgrade the parts on my regulator? Learning about them add I upgrade the parts? Like I was thinking first about a new needle valve, and possibly new gauges?

What would you all suggest to a noob, wanting to learn, lol, but not wanting to poison himself and his significant other.. [emoji4] [emoji4] [emoji4]


Look into the first post of this thread. I have all the info for you to build a dual stage custom reg. I will last long enough for
Your grandkids to use.

[cymen]

Look into the first post of this thread. I have all the info for you to build a dual stage custom reg. I will last long enough for
Your grandkids to use.

Not to be a pain but really read the whole thread too because some gotchas are not in the first post (like how to tell non-VCR from VCR regulators which is still a tiny bit unclear to me, etc). I realize it's a big task to document all that just pointing out worth the time to go through it. It's still a little confusing to me but I think for those of us that haven't done it, just have to accept it's going to be a couple orders to get everything. But the main parts are really clear to me now so thanks to you and everyone else who posted.

[ReefPharmer]

hey guys,
i bought a Parker 4A-NML-V-SS-K, 1/4" Tube Metering Valve. When i took off the current valve on my reg, the parker valve doesnt match the thread count into the solenoid. I realize there are different thread systems out there. Did I mess this up or can i buy a converter? The solenoid has a female and the parker valve is male. Both are 1/4. Thanks!

[ReefPharmer]

hey guys,
i bought a Parker 4A-NML-V-SS-K, 1/4" Tube Metering Valve. When i took off the current valve on my reg, the parker valve doesnt match the thread count into the solenoid. I realize there are different thread systems out there. Did I mess this up or can i buy a converter? The solenoid has a female and the parker valve is male. Both are 1/4. Thanks!

did more reading and the parker has compression 1/4 on each side, which is obviously different from npt 1/4 and will not fit. Since i am upgrading my current valve, the way i see this happening is to have the current valve open and add this valve onto the CO2 line after the current crappy flow valve. Thats pretty ghetto fabulous but i cant think of another way of doing it.
Ideas are welcome :)

[royvoss]

post a few pics, it will make easier to help you, sound like need a port adapter,

[ClownsRCoo]

Does anyone have a custom built reg they are looking to sell or would somebody be willing to build me one like in this thread. I've been reading over this thread trying to feel confident that I could source the parts, buy the right things, and build this but I feel lost.

[ReefPharmer]

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2560013

[ClownsRCoo]

Thanks, I'd prefer not to have a dual output one as I would never have a use for the second output.

[Greg11]

Hey Alanie I have a problem with co2 reading,my bubble counter changing every couple of days and I have to adjust it
Does it mean my metering valve is bad ?

[alanle]

Hey Alanie I have a problem with co2 reading,my bubble counter changing every couple of days and I have to adjust it
Does it mean my metering valve is bad ?


What regulator are you using.

[mic209]

Does anyone have a custom built reg they are looking to sell or would somebody be willing to build me one like in this thread. I've been reading over this thread trying to feel confident that I could source the parts, buy the right things, and build this but I feel lost.


I found a place that sells prebuilt units, but be prepared to drop $500-700 http://greenleafaquariums.com/products/gla-pro-5-ss-co2-regulator-two-stage.html

[alanle]

I found a place that sells prebuilt units, but be prepared to drop $500-700 http://greenleafaquariums.com/products/gla-pro-5-ss-co2-regulator-two-stage.html


These are not industrial grade regulators. Parts are made in China.

[mic209]

These are not industrial grade regulators. Parts are made in China.

But they have a 6 year warranty, try getting that with an eBay build.

[alanle]

But they have a 6 year warranty, try getting that with an eBay build.


Not all Ebay parts are bad. You just need to know what you are looking at. Might as well go with CO2Arts regulators. They have 10 years warranty for a fraction of the price.

[Greg11]

What regulator are you using.

[DamonG]

I found a place that sells prebuilt units, but be prepared to drop $500-700 http://greenleafaquariums.com/products/gla-pro-5-ss-co2-regulator-two-stage.html
I am like you. I posted about these a few weeks back also.. I probably will go with one of the stainless units when they are back in Stock, as I only need one output of course.. But, I like those also, in lieu of hand building one like the rest of these guys..

I also asked and still wonder about replacing parts one at a time on my |reef fanatic regulator.. Like the needle valve, to a more precision valve, or even just the gages..

Just to learn and begin, But most on here only want to build brand new regulators.. And I understand that, but even a diy upgrade of some parts would be fun and a good intro..

I may try and do that, but I'm not sure.. I could really use some instruction and advice..

[Greg11]

I'm using concoa dual stage regulator

[Greg11]

I'm using purity plus concoa dual stage regulator model:3127331-84-580

[mic209]

I am like you. I posted about these a few weeks back also.. I probably will go with one of the stainless units when they are back in Stock, as I only need one output of course.. But, I like those also, in lieu of hand building one like the rest of these guys..

I also asked and still wonder about replacing parts one at a time on my |reef fanatic regulator.. Like the needle valve, to a more precision valve, or even just the gages..

Just to learn and begin, But most on here only want to build brand new regulators.. And I understand that, but even a diy upgrade of some parts would be fun and a good intro..

I may try and do that, but I'm not sure.. I could really use some instruction and advice..


I actually built mine from eBay parts, I was just trying to help the person who posted about wanting to buy a pre built dual stage.

I don't think upgrading your gauges on your reef fanatic would be of any benefit, but adding a precision needle valve will help you tune your co2 a lot easier. I'm using a Parker needle valve, and I can turn it like an 1/8 of an inch in either direction and my ph inside of my reactor changes .1 plus or minus. It's been super easy to dial in the co2.

[DamonG]

I actually built mine from eBay parts, I was just trying to help the person who posted about wanting to buy a pre built dual stage.

I don't think upgrading your gauges on your reef fanatic would be of any benefit, but adding a precision needle valve will help you tune your co2 a lot easier. I'm using a Parker needle valve, and I can turn it like an 1/8 of an inch in either direction and my ph inside of my reactor changes .1 plus or minus. It's been super easy to dial in the co2.
Thanks for the reply. I will check into the valve for sure.. Do you know the number? The guages just have some corrosion on them, and I'd like for it to at least look nice..

Right now I can't afford to build a completely new regulator.. So I wanted to still try and learn and possibly upgrade what I have.. As I get more into the reactor, I don't care for the regulator I have, as the psi is factory set at 25. I could be wrong, but it seems like I could be wasting gas. If nothing else, I'd like the control to be go up and down if I wish..

[africangrey]

what kind of CO2 tubing do you guys use, I was trying to connect the 1/4" RO/DI tubing but the OD is kind of small for ss washer inside of the metering valve to hold properly.

[vhuang168]

Is a 15psi outlet too low?

[Monkeypod]

Would this regulator be a good choice? I might build 2, one for my minical and the other for my freshwater tank.

[alanle]

what kind of CO2 tubing do you guys use, I was trying to connect the 1/4" RO/DI tubing but the OD is kind of small for ss washer inside of the metering valve to hold properly.


1/4 OD. Check psi rating.

Is a 15psi outlet too low?

15psi is good.

Would this regulator be a good choice? I might build 2, one for my minical and the other for my freshwater tank.

Yes it will work

[alanle]

I just built these.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/384d4adbf20cb7b0cd5f57ebd4003bed.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/cb1231897fe911fcfc820accec6c7fe3.jpg

[vhuang168]

Nice! Just picked up an Airgas Y12-244A. It has a round male/male fitting that has been impossible to pull!

[alanle]

Nice! Just picked up an Airgas Y12-244A. It has a round male/male fitting that has been impossible to pull!


Yes some can be a pain to remove.

[naka]

I just built these.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/384d4adbf20cb7b0cd5f57ebd4003bed.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/cb1231897fe911fcfc820accec6c7fe3.jpg


Hey these look familiar

[ClownsRCoo]

That top one sure does

[SchnitzelReef]

I just built these.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/384d4adbf20cb7b0cd5f57ebd4003bed.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/cb1231897fe911fcfc820accec6c7fe3.jpg


That Matheson looks good. Mine is doing great. I've recently had to make some minor adjustments to my calcium reactor, due to a higher demand of alk and calcium. Man, it was so easy to adjust the co2. I'm so bummed I didn't build one of these years ago. Would have made my life so much easier. Thanks again for all your help!!

[vhuang168]

Think I got the wrong metering valve. Picked up a Hoke 1666G2YA. It has hose fittings on both sides and the exit has 1/16" I think. Anyway to adapt to 1/8" fittings?

[ClownsRCoo]

Where can I get a decent check valve? I found some on Amazon but a lot of people say they get clogged or don't work. They look just like the metal ones listed in here earlier

[alanle]

Good morning folks! I picked up a brand new SS Parker IR6000. This is what I have so far. I'm still waiting for the metering valve. It will be a swagelok s series with integrated check valve.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/06bdda922d06cecad9da8634da38a0b4.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/0e70a919881588addbbc305ebca702de.jpg

[TalloneJosh]

So, i've read through this thread a couple of time, as well as other threads on the subject, and I am really stoked about building one of these regulator's for my calcium reactor. I was just wondering if any of these would be a good starting point to build off of. I would appreciate any and all advice. Thanks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141946846988?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272081622726?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181164377936?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/260673063963?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[n8rad]

alanle or anyone more experienced then me. What part do i need to join where i have circled? That is just a dumb bubblecounter i will not be using anymore but the layout is what i have in mind.
Thanks!
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac326/n8rad/IMG_20160408_165228_zpsfddlbqi4.jpg (http://s912.photobucket.com/user/n8rad/media/IMG_20160408_165228_zpsfddlbqi4.jpg.html)

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac326/n8rad/IMG_20160408_165215_zpsrsrh7ree.jpg (http://s912.photobucket.com/user/n8rad/media/IMG_20160408_165215_zpsrsrh7ree.jpg.html)

[vhuang168]

Those are tube fittings so if you want a rigid connection, some stainless or brass tubing would work. Other way would be to change out the elbows to npt on both ends.


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[royvoss]

i think port adapters will work ,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swagelok-1-4-OD-Port-Connector-x-1-4-OD-Tube-Adapter-316-Stainless-Steel-Stub-/222062285069?hash=item33b3f1910d:g:MMcAAOSwBahVPd~B

alanle may chime in with a different solution,

[TalloneJosh]

Alright, I pulled the trigger on a regulator, and it is on its way!!! Now I just need some help locating the burkert 6011 solenoid and the hoke 1300 series metering valve, I did some searching online but couldn't really find anything, anyone know where to get these parts??

[vhuang168]

Here's 1

https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/281745270968

You are going to need a 1/8" tube to npt adapter 1/4" or 1/8" depending on what size is the end you are trying to connect to.


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[alanle]

Check out this compact dual stage reg. It's a Parker veriflo medical grade. Needle valve is also small. This setup is good for people with tight space. I preset it to 40 psi output.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160412/14b5f38def9055378d94ffeadd16e745.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160412/0241f9237a310cc99ce700fee6dc11be.jpg


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[alanle]

Here's a full stainless system. Regulator is a vcr Parker IR6000 with liquid filled Swagelok gauges, Burkert 6011 solenoid and Swagelok S series needle valve with vernier handle. This is the best system I built to date.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160414/6b99876d72120a910ea42caeb9296747.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160414/26ce3669cc39328798e901143b33a518.jpg


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[n8rad]

Thanks for starting this thread alanle and thanks to those who helped me get this together..

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac326/n8rad/IMG_20160414_202851_zps43taetoh.jpg (http://s912.photobucket.com/user/n8rad/media/IMG_20160414_202851_zps43taetoh.jpg.html)

[TalloneJosh]

will this one work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Burkert-6011-2-way-solenoid-valve-/182092133728?hash=item2a65897560:g:CK8AAOSwKtlWizF8

[alanle]

will this one work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Burkert-6011-2-way-solenoid-valve-/182092133728?hash=item2a65897560:g:CK8AAOSwKtlWizF8



Yes

[TalloneJosh]

Awesome, thanks for the help. Now, I'm one step closer to getting this thing completed!!!!!

[alanle]

Here's a full stainless system. Regulator is a vcr Parker IR6000 with liquid filled Swagelok gauges, Burkert 6011 solenoid and Swagelok S series needle valve with vernier handle. This is the best system I built to date.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160414/6b99876d72120a910ea42caeb9296747.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160414/26ce3669cc39328798e901143b33a518.jpg


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Hey guys something came up and I cannot keep this regulator for my new tank. It's available on the sales section.

[Jlentz]

Hey guys something came up and I cannot keep this regulator for my new tank. It's available on the sales section.



That's shiny. Wish I could afford it.

[TalloneJosh]

Alright, I ordered a swagelok needle valve, but it arrived disassembled. Does anyone know how to assemble this properly, I can't seem to figure it out. Here's a pic.

http://i.imgur.com/8AB1CBw.jpg

[vhuang168]

http://www.swagelok.com/downloads/webcatalogs/en/MS-01-142.pdf


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[africangrey]

From the photo it looks like the stem is missing!!! where did you order this from?

[alanle]

Yup stem is broken!


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[TalloneJosh]

yeah, that's what I was afraid of.... Guess I'm going to try and return this and see if I can get one that will work for me. Thanks.

[khngl123]

What pressure gauge are you guys recommending? Also, could someone point me to a good metering valve? Thanks

[khngl123]

Whitey SS-22RF2 Needle Valve used for $85 shipped a good deal???thanks

[alanle]

Whitey SS-22RF2 Needle Valve used for $85 shipped a good deal???thanks


It's expensive. About $50 is good

[khngl123]

It's expensive. About $50 is good

Got it!!!

[alanle]

Hey guys I'm on fb now. Check add me as friend to get updated on parts.

https://www.facebook.com/alan.le.104



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[khngl123]

Is the HP and Lp 1/2" on this regulator? From all the spec I've read online everyone said its 1/4" connection but it seem like 1/2" on my. Thanks

[royvoss]

yeah, its going to be 1/4 pipe, just need to make sure if it npt or nps thread, most are npt

[khngl123]

yeah, its going to be 1/4 pipe, just need to make sure if it npt or nps thread, most are npt

It's NPT since the end are tapered. Thanks

[alanle]

Complete stainless steel. Nothing will get through this beast!! http://financeseeyou.com/red/images/7.gif
http://financeseeyou.com/red/images/8.gif http://financeseeyou.com/red/images/35.gif

Link is broken.

Who wants a free CO2 regulator?
http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr-report/trades-swaps-sales/236616-free-custom-dual-stage-co2-system-celebrating-memorial-day/page3

[maxpc99]

My AP doser seems to have an internal leak. I'll probably send it in to get fixed, but after reading through this thread I'm going to attempt to build one of these. Thanks for all the info and I'm sure I'll be posting many questions. Thanks!

[maxpc99]

I just picked up one of these. He has about 20 if anyone else is interested.

He is not taking returns, but in his description he claims they are in perfect working order. If they do have a leak, it should be covered by the eBay money back guarantee as I would expect that would be considered an item not as described. Am I living in dream land? I don't buy much from ebay, but have never had an issue so I don't know how strong their issue resolution program is.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Praxair-Prostar-Dual-Stage-Regulators-PRS301233-CGA590-/282040391748?hash=item41aaead844:g:GLoAAOSwboVXOh~p

[vhuang168]

Are these stainless?


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[maxpc99]

Are these stainless?

chromed brass

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[StevieK]

Great thread.

Would love one of these if anyone is selling.

S

[royvoss]

Pm Alanle, he may have some for sale, he started the thread

[maxpc99]

Here is my parts list and the sequence of assembly:


CGA 320 nipple & Nut for CO2 connect Brass 28-May
PRS30123 Praxair Prostar Dual Stage Regulator Chrome Plated Brass 31-May
SS-4-A-4RS SS4A4RS 1/4 male x 1/4 Female SS 27-May
SS-4-RB-2* 1/4 male x 1/8 Female SS 27-May
SS-2-ME 1/8 male x 1/8 male elbow SS 26-May
Burkett 6011 1/8 x 1/8 FNPT Female solenoid SS 28-May
SS-2-ME 1/8 male x 1/8 male elbow SS 26-May
SS-22RF2 1/8 FNPT Swagelok Nupro Needle Valve SS 26-May
SS-200-1- 2 1/8" MNPT x 1/8" tube SS 31-May

[vhuang168]

Last part is wrong if you want to use 1/4" tubing.


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[maxpc99]

Oh crap, thank you. Good catch. I wish it was a typo...

[maxpc99]

Last part is wrong if you want to use 1/4" tubing.


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Thanks for the catch! Ordered ss-400-1-2 Tube fitting, male connector, 1/4" tube OD X 1/8" male npt.

[vhuang168]

There is a Victor SGT500 stainless reg on eBay right now if anyone is interested. Not cheap but looks to be in excellent shape.


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[Chef Choy]

Guys I need help. I used this thread to build my regulator and it was an awesome reference. I went with the Burkert 6011 valve. Got it from eBay. I have now burned through my 3rd one. They seem to last a couple weeks then they dont shut off. It makes that clicking sound when activated, but will still allow gas through. I have been buying these.......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Burkert-6011-2-way-solenoid-valve-/182130579264?hash=item2a67d41740:g:CK8AAOSwKtlWizF8

Seems to be the only one on eBay with the right fittings. Anyone else have these issues? Something I am doing wrong? I am giving it 40 PSI in and I was under the impression that they are good up to 65.

Thanks!

[rimless75g]

If anybody looking to purchase regulators system. There is a guy that is listed for sale on barrreport forum. I bought a couple from him in the past. Legit stuff.

http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr-report/trades-swaps-sales/237234-high-end-custom-co2-dual-stage-regulator-systems

[maxpc99]

Guys I need help. I used this thread to build my regulator and it was an awesome reference. I went with the Burkert 6011 valve. Got it from eBay. I have now burned through my 3rd one. They seem to last a couple weeks then they dont shut off. It makes that clicking sound when activated, but will still allow gas through. I have been buying these.......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Burkert-6011-2-way-solenoid-valve-/182130579264?hash=item2a67d41740:g:CK8AAOSwKtlWizF8

Seems to be the only one on eBay with the right fittings. Anyone else have these issues? Something I am doing wrong? I am giving it 40 PSI in and I was under the impression that they are good up to 65.

Thanks!



I just bought the same one, but have not started my build yet. Still waiting for the solenoid and one other part to be delivered. Hopefully someone chimes in. This didn't make me happy to read.

[Chef Choy]

Guys I need help. I used this thread to build my regulator and it was an awesome reference. I went with the Burkert 6011 valve. Got it from eBay. I have now burned through my 3rd one. They seem to last a couple weeks then they dont shut off. It makes that clicking sound when activated, but will still allow gas through. I have been buying these.......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Burkert-6011-2-way-solenoid-valve-/182130579264?hash=item2a67d41740:g:CK8AAOSwKtlWizF8

Seems to be the only one on eBay with the right fittings. Anyone else have these issues? Something I am doing wrong? I am giving it 40 PSI in and I was under the impression that they are good up to 65.

Thanks!

Anyone with any help on this? Been running my reactor without one.......scary. Maybe another source, or some other type?

[vhuang168]

How long did you wait to see if there were any more bubbles? The residual gas between the solenoid and the metering valve could take a while to deplete its pressure depending on your setup. So even if the solenoid is closed, the gas doesn't stop immediately.


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[Chef Choy]

How long did you wait to see if there were any more bubbles? The residual gas between the solenoid and the metering valve could take a while to deplete its pressure depending on your setup. So even if the solenoid is closed, the gas doesn't stop immediately.


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Yea, I thought of that.......let it run for about 12 hours....it is defiantly leaking......I dialed my needle valve and it has been "off" now for over a week.

[Chef Choy]

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[maxpc99]

Hey guys I'm on fb now. Check add me as friend to get updated on parts.

https://www.facebook.com/alan.le.104



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Chef, maybe try alanle on FB? He hasn't posted here in 3 weeks and from his posting history looks like he only comes to RC for this thread. Maybe he is FB full time now with this stuff. I'm curious to know as well as I'm starting my build on Tuesday .

If he does answer you on FB, do you mind relaying it here? I'm one of those 5 people not on FB. [emoji2]

[maxpc99]

Yea, I thought of that.......let it run for about 12 hours....it is defiantly leaking......I dialed my needle valve and it has been "off" now for over a week.



Chef, been doing some reading on this. Does yours get really hot? I'm wondering if the issue is that they are the 24v dc version? I read about another guy having an issue with them saying it was really really hot. It's normal for them to be warm, but they shouldn't be hot. I wonder if it's burning itself out?

Did yours come with the a filler piece that fits between the solenoid and the plug connector? Mine was missing. Not having a lot of confidence in that eBay seller.

I found another place that sells them, the price is reasonable, but the shipping is ridiculous. They have local retailers all over the place. I'm going to call the one near me in the morning to see if they have them in stock for me to pick up.

http://www.clippard.com/part/MME-2PDS-D110

[alanle]

Just finished building this Matheson Ultraline system. This will be my main unit for the planted tank.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160530/bac4a4c8a7f8bd33c44701e35ccfde9a.jpg


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[maxpc99]

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I built mine last night and plan on installing and doing a leak test tomorrow. As I built it, I had another thought. You said you have gone through 3 solenoid so far, did you use the same power adapter each time? Did you build it yourself? If you used the same one each time, any chance you had any stray wires that may be shorting it out?

[Chef Choy]

I built mine last night and plan on installing and doing a leak test tomorrow. As I built it, I had another thought. You said you have gone through 3 solenoid so far, did you use the same power adapter each time? Did you build it yourself? If you used the same one each time, any chance you had any stray wires that may be shorting it out?

I would have thought that, but I still hear the clicking sound which leads me to believe that it is still trying to function. It does get hot, but from what I have read that is normal. Mine did have the rubber piece that went between the power supply and the unit.

[Chef Choy]

Chef, been doing some reading on this. Does yours get really hot? I'm wondering if the issue is that they are the 24v dc version? I read about another guy having an issue with them saying it was really really hot. It's normal for them to be warm, but they shouldn't be hot. I wonder if it's burning itself out?

Did yours come with the a filler piece that fits between the solenoid and the plug connector? Mine was missing. Not having a lot of confidence in that eBay seller.

I found another place that sells them, the price is reasonable, but the shipping is ridiculous. They have local retailers all over the place. I'm going to call the one near me in the morning to see if they have them in stock for me to pick up.

http://www.clippard.com/part/MME-2PDS-D110

Looks like they are in Europe

[Chef Choy]

Just finished building this Matheson Ultraline system. This will be my main unit for the planted tank.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160530/bac4a4c8a7f8bd33c44701e35ccfde9a.jpg


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Hey man, you got a hook up for the Burkerts?

[alanle]

Hey man, you got a hook up for the Burkerts?



There's a guy on ebay selling it for cheap.


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[africangrey]

Power supply is the key here. 24v

[Chef Choy]

I just ordered this........hope it works......
https://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6015-burkert-00463939-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-stainless-steel-body.aspx

[Chef Choy]

Using this plug......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230619809445?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

and this cord........
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151752677165?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Anyone see any issues with that?

[maxpc99]

All you needed was the 24v adapter for the eBay Burkerts we ordered.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/9-equipment/923089-how-wire-burkert-6011-24v-dc-version-solenoid.html

If you are buying the 120v version you can just use an PC power cord.

[royvoss]

I just ordered this........hope it works......
https://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-6015-burkert-00463939-22-miniature-solenoid-valve-stainless-steel-body.aspx


i have the same one, works great, i used the plug end with the led so i can see if it has power, the reason i went with the 110 volt model is i have it plugged into my apex eb8, plus i do not see any reason to to add 24 volt power adapter when i would be using ac power anyway, imo it just one less part to go bad.

I just ordered this........hope it works......
https://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-...teel-body.aspx

the valve you picked above is a 110 model, the 24 volt adapter will not work with it.

and this cord........
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151752677165...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

i do not think you want to use this, unless you valve is dc powered,
all you would need is a cord with a 110 plug on it., i thing i used and 18 gauge one from amazon.

[maxpc99]

I forgot to mention that I'm so glad this got posted before I started running mine. I would have fried my solenoid. I initially put a standard PC plug on my 24v solenoid. Roy, Chef and I both bought 24v solenoids from the same vendor on eBay. He went through 3 before figuring out the issue was with the plug. I'm grateful, because I was doing the exact same thing and he saved me a big headache.

I'm going to order a new from from freshwatersystems, those are the ones to get . LeftC, who I believe was the original DIY guy who got this whole thing started workers with Burkert to get these made with the better seals for CO2.

http://www.aquascapingworld.com/threads/two-models-of-bürkert-6011-solenoids-available-with-buna-n-seals-order-information.3265/

[alanle]

Any new system lately guys?


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[Horace]

Any new system lately guys?


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what do you think of this one?? regulator (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Airgas-Nitrogen-Argon-Analytical-2-Stage-Regulator-Y12-N145D-with-Tank-Hose-/391484527134?hash=item5b264bd21e:g:UlEAAOSwoJZXRiP2)

I robbed a cheap JBJ of the nipple/nut and solenoid so with a regulator like that above I would have a good start

Find me a good deal on a sweet as unit man :P

[Horace]

Well i ordered one of these: Cost me $100 with free shipping, hope i didnt screw up :)

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~hYAAOSwVcFXOjb-/s-l1600.jpg

this is the description: They are Precision Dual Stage, Diaphragm Valve with included 3/8 Inch Right angle Tube Fitting, 0-100 psig Outlet Pressure, 3000 psig max inlet - PRS301233, Tank connector CGA350.

Obviously it needs a new nipple, but I am hoping I can reuse the one I have off the JBJ regulator for that....

[alanle]

Well i ordered one of these: Cost me $100 with free shipping, hope i didnt screw up :)

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~hYAAOSwVcFXOjb-/s-l1600.jpg

this is the description: They are Precision Dual Stage, Diaphragm Valve with included 3/8 Inch Right angle Tube Fitting, 0-100 psig Outlet Pressure, 3000 psig max inlet - PRS301233, Tank connector CGA350.

Obviously it needs a new nipple, but I am hoping I can reuse the one I have off the JBJ regulator for that....


You can use the cga 350 nipple. Just get the cga 320 nut.


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[Horace]

so is the regulator I bought worth a crap or not lol??

Next I need to find a nice metering valve....

[alanle]

so is the regulator I bought worth a crap or not lol??

Next I need to find a nice metering valve....



You need to do the leak test.


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[Horace]

You need to do the leak test.


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If it leaks, then what? Can they be rebuilt or are u assed out?


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[alanle]

If it leaks, then what? Can they be rebuilt or are u assed out?


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Assed out


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[Horace]

Assed out


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Well that bites....how often are these things leaking?

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[africangrey]

The first regulator I bought of ebay didn't pass leak tested, I contacted the seller and was refunded immediately, so it depends where you bought it from.

[Horace]

I consider myself pretty mechanically inclined, but I am having some big issues visualizing how this fitting actually works.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d39/onephattai/hoke/IMG_20141026_163426.jpg

If these were to fit together, isnt the piece on top upside down? Shouldnt the threads be facing to the left?

Obviously that little stem does not have threads on it, so I am having issues understanding how that little thing comes into play. Does that insert into the metering valve somehow? Is there some sort of compression fitting on the metering valve that will grab onto that thing? If not, I can only assume that goes inside the tubing, but in that case, I dont see how the nut that clamps down around the tubing is supposed to attach, given there are no threads. I suspect my initial thought is how it works, but frankly these pictures shown thus far have me pretty confused, and I want to make sure I order the right fittings, given that particular one is not exactly cheap.

Here is what it looks like assembled on the manf website, so how the hell do you hook that little stem to the metering valve? lol

http://www.swagelok.com/images/product_images/large/SS-600-R-4.jpg

[Horace]

Anyone?

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[vhuang168]

That looks like an adapter to change tubing sizes. They look to be 1/8" to 1/4".

Depends on the metering valve. What connectors does your's come with?


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[alanle]

If you have more than one ca reactor......
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160619/7feec00ab3e3da6bc600e47561a75e74.jpg


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[Horace]

Looks like I've got the same metering valve...

Did you just remove the compression fitting in the one end?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/49ca17c673a6038dbe5feef994103743.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/35ebaa198b72bbd58460746f8f05fd23.jpg

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[alanle]

Looks like I've got the same metering valve...

Did you just remove the compression fitting in the one end?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/49ca17c673a6038dbe5feef994103743.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/35ebaa198b72bbd58460746f8f05fd23.jpg

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Yes attach the tubing to the other end.


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[Horace]

Yes attach the tubing to the other end.


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So I don't need that fitting I showed few posts back right? Is that to convert a metering valve that has a compression fitting for a smaller diameter hose up to 1/4"?

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[alanle]

So I don't need that fitting I showed few posts back right? Is that to convert a metering valve that has a compression fitting for a smaller diameter hose up to 1/4"?

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Use 1/4 OD tubing.


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[Horace]

Use 1/4 OD tubing.


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Of course :). So the Hoke valve is made for 1/8 and you had to convert it up to 1/4 right? What has me , and I think others confused is you listing that, and other 1/8" fittings on page 1. For someone with a metering valve like mine, I would not need any 1/8" fittings....correct?

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[alanle]

Of course :). So the Hoke valve is made for 1/8 and you had to convert it up to 1/4 right? What has me , and I think others confused is you listing that, and other 1/8" fittings on page 1. For someone with a metering valve like mine, I would not need any 1/8" fittings....correct?

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Yup


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[Horace]

Got my regulator today. This thing looks mint! Looks like this thing retails for $600. Paid $100. Assuming it passes leak test...i think this may have been a SCORE!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160621/d0a523767dec0ff5d742f2e343eb5c13.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160621/a74dd1e429031fe2f709626d28ccee22.jpg

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[vhuang168]

Looks like it's in great shape. Not familiar with the ProStar line. Not sure who is the actual manufacturer. If retail is $600 it's probably nickel plated brass.

Personally I picked a reg with 30 psi output. 15 psi would have worked too. We run our regs much lower than the planted guys. Mine is at 8 psi.


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[Horace]

Looks like it's in great shape. Not familiar with the ProStar line. Not sure who is the actual manufacturer. If retail is $600 it's probably nickel plated brass.

Personally I picked a reg with 30 psi output. 15 psi would have worked too. We run our regs much lower than the planted guys. Mine is at 8 psi.


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That shouldn't be an issue. Max is only 100.

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[Lyscer]

Where are you guys finding your fittings? I have priced them out on a couple different sites and seem to keep coming up with very similar $$ numbers.

SS-4-HN - $4.15
SS-4-RSE-2 - $21.70
SS-2-SE - $18.30
SS-200-R-4 - $10.20
+ shipping and my grand total is right around $65. this was all through Radwell International.

BTW, awesome thread. Can't wait to get all my parts in.

[vhuang168]

I ordered mine direct from swagelok. They have a branch local to me so I usually pick up same day


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[khngl123]

I am looking to get a stainless steel dual stage regulator. Any good lead? Thanks

[vhuang168]

There are a few nice Victor SGT-500 on eBay right now.


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[Lyscer]

I ordered mine direct from swagelok. They have a branch local to me so I usually pick up same day


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Never occurred to me to see if they were local - they are about 40 minutes away. Thank you!

So with this in mind - looks like their prices are cheaper than buying via ebay. Here is how I am picturing this going together. Someone please chime in if this is wrong.

Also, is there a different check valve that you guys recommend from this one that is just as good and may save me some money?
http://i.imgur.com/3yvyXwHl.jpg

[vhuang168]

What are you going to use to connect the check valve to the metering valve?


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[Lyscer]

I was going to talk to the Swagelok rep when I got the other parts to see if they have a solid tubing to put inthere that would connect the 2 parts. If they don't then I was just planning on attaching it with the Co2 tubing.

[vhuang168]

I believe you can use a Port Connector, ss-201-pc


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[Lyscer]

Not sure if you guys know the answer to this, but my guage dials were bent when they were shipped to me so I am looking to replace them. If my current low range dial is 0-200, I should be able to replace it with something like a 0-60psi guage and then just make sure that I only keep the pressure within that range?

[Gools]

Started a thread but received no response. Just wondering if I need a check valve on my co2 line after my bubble counter?
I had one but my bubbles wouldn't go, like it was backwards soon as I take it off bubbles flow perfect! Put a brand new one on and same thing, so right now running it without a check valve. Thanks

[vhuang168]

Did you try reversing the check valve? Check valves also have an operating pressure. If the pressure on the incoming side is lower than rated, it doesn't work.


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[alanle]

You place the check valve before the bubble counter. Look at the directional arrow. Also increase the output pressure.


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[Gools]

Alanle I got the regulator off you last year with bubble counter attached, also grabbed the silver check valves off eBay, arrows are pointed in the right direction. I would turn the pressure up just afraid of doing damage as you recommended not going above 30psi. Looking at the murlock check valve, or that dennerle check valve. Any thoughts on those?

[alanle]

Alanle I got the regulator off you last year with bubble counter attached, also grabbed the silver check valves off eBay, arrows are pointed in the right direction. I would turn the pressure up just afraid of doing damage as you recommended not going above 30psi. Looking at the murlock check valve, or that dennerle check valve. Any thoughts on those?



Post some pixs. It's ok to go as high as 40psi.


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[Gools]

Hopefully pictures work!

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gools1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160708_214708.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gools1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160708_214653.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

[Lyscer]

Finally got the majority of my regulator built. Going to wire it up once I get a Co2 tank next week, but I wanted to post some pictures.
http://i.imgur.com/qIxG5SYl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/qIxG5SY.jpg)

[alanle]

You guys are a pro now! :-)

[Kiddjam]

Great! I would loce to know more about fitting and integrated check valve and bubble counter!!



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[alanle]

Alanle I got the regulator off you last year with bubble counter attached, also grabbed the silver check valves off eBay, arrows are pointed in the right direction. I would turn the pressure up just afraid of doing damage as you recommended not going above 30psi. Looking at the murlock check valve, or that dennerle check valve. Any thoughts on those?

You can go as high as 45PSI. However, with the CA reactor you only need around 10-20PSI. By the way, replace that check valve every year or so. It can go bad. You don't want water to get into the solenoid and regulator.

[alanle]

Just built this system for fun. It's a dual stage Concoa 312 with ASCO solenoid, Swagelok S series needle valve and Wika liquid filled gauges. The needle valve has a lock-in feature. Once you set the bps to a desired level, you can lock the knob.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160720/1e78aa6ff3d271875d0ddc522eeccf4b.jpg
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[mic209]

Anybody have any solenoids and CGA 320 nipples?


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[alanle]

Anybody have any solenoids and CGA 320 nipples?


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Ebay item #
262560345215
262137629992




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[mic209]

Ebay item #
262560345215
262137629992




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Thank you, I actually purchased that burkert yesterday for $20, I took another good look before paying and its 24v AC not DC. And where can I get stainless or chrome CGA?

[mic209]

Hey Alanle, do you know anything about Praxair Regulator 3122391-350? I just picked one up and cannot find any info on it.

[mic209]

Hey Alanle, do you know anything about Praxair Regulator 3122391-350? I just picked one up and cannot find any info on it.



Wait I found this. So if I have this right, the numbers after 312 correspond to the list, and the 350 is the type of connector it has?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160804/57eb3045d1991539f45afb39fd25b21c.png


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[solitude127]

Just built this system for fun. It's a dual stage Concoa 312 with ASCO solenoid, Swagelok S series needle valve and Wika liquid filled gauges. The needle valve has a lock-in feature. Once you set the bps to a desired level, you can lock the knob.


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You sir, make regulators look very sexy. I want to switch to CaRx just because the regulators you make look so good.

[SchnitzelReef]

You sir, make regulators look very sexy. I want to switch to CaRx just because the regulators you make look so good.



I modeled mine after his. Mine didn't turn out as nice, but it works great!

[SkyReef]

My needle valve came with a bubble counter attachment. What liquid should I use in there? I have heard use water. I have heard use mineral oil. What should I use? Thanks.

[mic209]

Here's another tip for testing used regulators. I just got a praxair/concoa 312 and while testing it, the second stage would not hold pressure. I proceeded to setup the return with the eBay seller but figured I'd test it one more time. This time after pressurizing the second stage and removing it from the co2 bottle, I cut off the fingers of disposable gloves, slipped one over the CGA nipple and one over the hose barb fitting that was on the shutoff valve that came with the regulator. I used rubber bands (daughters hair ties) to seal up the gloves. I went to check on it an hour later and the glove tip was inflated and the gauge was down about 20psi. So I removed the stock post body assembly, attached the solenoid I will be using, pressurized the second stage again and now it holds pressure just fine. All along it was just a bad shutoff valve that was going to be replaced anyways. I forgot to take a pic of the inflated glove tip on the post bodyhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160810/41ecbf6b4ba752370a4696019ead0fb0.jpg


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[mic209]

Double post

[mic209]

Here's my second build for my buddy in AZ

Praxair/concoa 312 body
Parker NM Metering valve
Clippard Solenoid

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[moondoggy4]

I found a local deal and was wondering if this might be a good deal'

Praxis Dual Stage CGA 320 stainless for 75 bucks and Precision needle valves SS-554a 316 stainless for 40 bucks. Thanks in advance

[mic209]

I found a local deal and was wondering if this might be a good deal'

Praxis Dual Stage CGA 320 stainless for 75 bucks and Precision needle valves SS-554a 316 stainless for 40 bucks. Thanks in advance



Sounds like a good deal. Do you know the model number of the regulator?


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[vhuang168]

At $75, I would find out the model number and make sure it is stainless and that is it dual stage. Dual gauge /= dual stage.


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[s2nhle]

I found a local deal and was wondering if this might be a good deal'

Praxis Dual Stage CGA 320 stainless for 75 bucks and Precision needle valves SS-554a 316 stainless for 40 bucks. Thanks in advance

that sounds like a good deal.

[moondoggy4]

^^^^ Great, thanks, I will pick one up, he has 4 for sale.

[dattack]

^^^^ Great, thanks, I will pick one up, he has 4 for sale.
Can you give me details. I need one for this price.

[moondoggy4]

^^^^^PM'd you

[vhuang168]

Can you post the model number?


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[moondoggy4]

Yeah I will, after he sends me some pictures.

[moondoggy4]

Can you post the model number?


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3123331-01-590

03-40092

He states that it is a dual stage

[vhuang168]

That looks to be a Concoa 312 reg. It is not stainless. It is chrome plated brass.


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[moondoggy4]

Is 75 a good price for that dual stage?

[vhuang168]

It's a good price for a dual stage reg.

It is not stainless, and the part number show it to have a 590 nipple not a 320 unless he changed it out already.


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[moondoggy4]

He has the 320 nipple for sale for 30 bucks.

[moondoggy4]

The precision meter is 316 stainless some of the numbers 55 ?? VH Nupro aka Swagelok and it is 60 bucks.

[vhuang168]

1st should be letters. Probably SS for stainless steel. Last letters show a vernier handle which is nice. The middle letters/number is important because it tells you the size and type of fittings it has. $60 is fair.

[alanle]

Hey guys I just started a CO2 systems group on FB. You are more than welcome to join.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1162232157132921/

-Alan

[mic209]

@moondoggy4, look at the pic I posted on post 907, it tells you about the different concoa 312's, just match up the numbers after the 312 on the part number.

[soulpatch]

I know costs are all over the place depending on the type of deal you can find on ebay but ball park what are we looking at here for a quality setup? I dont care if stainless or brass as I will plasti dip anyway to color coordinate with the rest of my stand setup but curious.

With the dual stage does that negte the end of tank dump and issues with the needle valve or does it only give you better insight that it is coming so you can address earlier?

I was looking at the carbon doser for ease of use but I have a concern that should it fail open or such I am screwed unless I still add another shutoff. With these you rely on the needle valve and have the solenoid as backup so it already has redundancy.

Plus from a cosmetic standpoint these are sexy vs the carbon doser... and that counts for something.

[Lyscer]

@soulpatch, Here was my parts list and prices. I am ~$400 into my setup including Co2 tank. I did have to drop $40 on new gauges though because they were damaged when they were shipped to me. You could probably go quite a bit cheaper on the fitting too if you went brass since you will be using plastidip. Hopefully this list helps out some people.

- CONCOA 432 Stainless Steel Regulator ($60)
- CGA 320 Nipple+Nut+Washer (Brass) ($10)
- Burkert 6011a Stainless Steel solenoid ($42)
- Burkert DC Power Supply ($7.99)
- Wika 0-30psi pressure gauge ($20.75)
- Wika 0-1000psi pressure gauge ($20.75)
- 5lb Co2 Tank ($58.78)
- Swagelok fittings
-- (2x) SS-2-SE ($33.2 for both)
-- SS-4-HRN-2 ($6.30)
-- SS-4-TA-1-2 ($5.60)
-- SS-401-PC ($5.70)
-- Swagelok Meter Valve, SS-SS4-VH ($132)

[soulpatch]

Awesome thanks for the list. Considering that the carbon doser is 300 and if I take the tank out of yours it is basically the same it seems to work out in my favor to go with a serious system. Especially when I consider that you have a backup to the needle valve whereas the carbon doser is without redundancy.

[bobafet1]

Can brass fittings from Home Depot be used if the regulator is brass ? It's a lot cheaper buying those then ordering swagelok fittings. I used pipe thread sealant along with teflon tape for all the fittings.

This is what I have so far for under $200
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t103/bobafet1/IMG_6140_zpsuxc6qsp1.jpg (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/bobafet1/media/IMG_6140_zpsuxc6qsp1.jpg.html)
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t103/bobafet1/corals/IMG_6141_zpsv0linsxl.jpg (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/bobafet1/media/corals/IMG_6141_zpsv0linsxl.jpg.html)

[alanle]

Can brass fittings from Home Depot be used if the regulator is brass ? It's a lot cheaper buying those then ordering swagelok fittings. I used pipe thread sealant along with teflon tape for all the fittings.

This is what I have so far for under $200
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t103/bobafet1/IMG_6140_zpsuxc6qsp1.jpg (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/bobafet1/media/IMG_6140_zpsuxc6qsp1.jpg.html)
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t103/bobafet1/corals/IMG_6141_zpsv0linsxl.jpg (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/bobafet1/media/corals/IMG_6141_zpsv0linsxl.jpg.html)

do a soapy water leak test.

[bobafet1]

do a soapy water leak test.

Cool man, thanks!

[SkyReef]

I notice my needle valve does not really affect the bubble counter; I have to turn the main regulator knob to effect a change. Is the needle valve really supposed to make a difference in bubble count? I can't dial it in with the needle valve. I bought a used regulator, so maybe it's broken. What are your experiences with the usefulness of the needle valve, versus the main regulator knob, when dialing in a good bubble count?

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/SkyReef/20160827_082046_zps2anqirfm.jpg

[mic209]

I notice my needle valve does not really affect the bubble counter; I have to turn the main regulator knob to effect a change. Is the needle valve really supposed to make a difference in bubble count? I can't dial it in with the needle valve. I bought a used regulator, so maybe it's broken. What are your experiences with the usefulness of the needle valve, versus the main regulator knob, when dialing in a good bubble count?

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/SkyReef/20160827_082046_zps2anqirfm.jpg



What PSI are you running? Looks like 5 in the pic? That seems a little low, I think the norm is 10-15psi.


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[moondoggy4]

@moondoggy4, look at the pic I posted on post 907, it tells you about the different concoa 312's, just match up the numbers after the 312 on the part number.

Thanks for the link:bigeyes: now all I have to do is get my old man eyes to read it.

[bobafet1]

I bought my 6011 Burkert from ebay and noticed it came with a 2506 type connection. The Burkert says 24v=4W and the connection says 0-250V AC/DC. Am I suppose to use a certain power supply with this or just a wire it up direct with a cord?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks

[alanle]

I bought my 6011 Burkert from ebay and noticed it came with a 2506 type connection. The Burkert says 24v=4W and the connection says 0-250V AC/DC. Am I suppose to use a certain power supply with this or just a wire it up direct with a cord?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks



That means input can be 0-250 volts. Output is 24v 4 watts. Any pictures?


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[Lyscer]

@bobafet1 If you look on ebay for item number: 151752677165 that is the 24v power supply (UL listed) I bought for my 24v burkert 6011a solenoid . If you check out this link it has really good info on how to wire up the 2506 connection.
http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr-report/co2-enrichment/8021-how-to-wire-a-burkert-type-6011-solenoid

[SkyReef]

What PSI are you running? Looks like 5 in the pic? That seems a little low, I think the norm is 10-15psi.


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Thanks, mic209. That might be the problem. I read somewhere that my PSI was not supposed to exceed 10 PSI--I think I read that in a GEO Calcium Reactor post.

[mic209]

I bought my 6011 Burkert from ebay and noticed it came with a 2506 type connection. The Burkert says 24v=4W and the connection says 0-250V AC/DC. Am I suppose to use a certain power supply with this or just a wire it up direct with a cord?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks

By any chance Does it say 60hz? There were some 24 volt A/C burkerts on eBay, watch out for those and don't hook up a DC power supply to it.

[bobafet1]

Here are pics.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t103/bobafet1/corals/IMG_6144_zpsgrvme9vc.jpg (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/bobafet1/media/corals/IMG_6144_zpsgrvme9vc.jpg.html)
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t103/bobafet1/corals/IMG_6145_zpsgqdv0q2e.jpg (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/bobafet1/media/corals/IMG_6145_zpsgqdv0q2e.jpg.html)

[soulpatch]

what about these complete units? I know cost is associated with not getting piece by piece but cheaper then carbondoser and looks to be a lot of parts used in this thread.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Stage-Regulator-CO2-Injection-Hoke-Metering-Valve-/152212916123?hash=item237098c79b:g:K8MAAOSwNsdXQmgE

[vhuang168]

Looks to be essentially a DIY co2 reg that he gathered parts for and is selling as a package. Looks to be a dual stage reg but the gauge configuration is different than most regs. I don't know if that is a sign of something off or if that is just how that particular reg is designed.


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[soulpatch]

He has others with more normal gauges but was just more concerned I'm not missing anything gong this route. I dint mind spending a couple bucks extra to get it all in one shot...

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[bobafet1]

@bobafet1 If you look on ebay for item number: 151752677165 that is the 24v power supply (UL listed) I bought for my 24v burkert 6011a solenoid . If you check out this link it has really good info on how to wire up the 2506 connection.
http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr-report/co2-enrichment/8021-how-to-wire-a-burkert-type-6011-solenoid

Ok, just so I'm clear I do need the 24v adapter from somewhere, right?

[alanle]

what about these complete units? I know cost is associated with not getting piece by piece but cheaper then carbondoser and looks to be a lot of parts used in this thread.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Stage-Regulator-CO2-Injection-Hoke-Metering-Valve-/152212916123?hash=item237098c79b:g:K8MAAOSwNsdXQmgE



He went and bought all of the parts on ebay and has been trying to sell the systems. The only part that he did not do right is the needle valve. The port size is 1/16. It is very small and fragile. We have warned him about this on the other forum.


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[soulpatch]

He went and bought all of the parts on ebay and has been trying to sell the systems. The only part that he did not do right is the needle valve. The port size is 1/16. It is very small and fragile. We have warned him about this on the other forum.


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Ok thanks. I will avoid his auctions and do it the right way of piecing together myself...

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[dmork1]

Hi Alanle, Do you sell those cool vintage regulators you rebuild?

[alanle]

Hey guys I created a group on fb called "reef systems". I'm looking for some nice pictures of a reef tank. I appreciate if you could share yours. Please send pictures to alanle79@yahoo.com. By the way you are welcome to join.

-Alan


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[dmork1]

Alan,

It won't let me respond in pm. Do you have another form
of communication?

[alanle]

Alan,

It won't let me respond in pm. Do you have another form
of communication?



Yes my email above.


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[cali9dub]

Anyone know how to get this knob off? Trying to shine this guy up and rebuild. It's my first try.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/3B24208F-56BA-4273-80AC-049762DEF3E1_zpshuro2a80.jpeg

[cali9dub]

I got it. Nevermind.

[alanle]

Here's a really nice Mathie!!!
361733603652



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[cali9dub]

Being that I'm in the middle of my first build of one of these... I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly is needed to get this metering valve in line right after my Burkert 1/8"npt solenoid. I think this valve has male 1/8" tube ends ?? Don't know how to connect it at all with all the different kinds of fittings. Any help would be great.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/97B84322-CA75-46D6-97F2-B0438E4FFD0B_zpssf8ikjxz.jpg

[cali9dub]

Bump

[alanle]

Being that I'm in the middle of my first build of one of these... I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly is needed to get this metering valve in line right after my Burkert 1/8"npt solenoid. I think this valve has male 1/8" tube ends ?? Don't know how to connect it at all with all the different kinds of fittings. Any help would be great.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/97B84322-CA75-46D6-97F2-B0438E4FFD0B_zpssf8ikjxz.jpg



Does the valve come with nuts and ferrules?
You need the following parts
1) 1/8 mnpt x 1/8 tube elbow (to connect solenoid and the valve)

2) 1/8 port connector (to connect valve to 1/8 elbow)

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[cali9dub]

No nuts or ferrules ! So I just get 1/8" od tube nuts on each end of the valve and 2 port connectors. Then the outgoing side of the valve will need a 1/8" tube x 1/4" tube (for outgoing oxygen line to the calcium reactor ) ??

[cali9dub]

These and then I need nuts for each side of the meter? Then any 1/8" od tube fitting with ferrules to connect to the port connector...is that correct ? Do I need front and rear ferrules or just front ??

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/C8CE4686-6740-4ACB-8472-D993575C5B81_zps9oyahtom.jpeg

[soulpatch]

I got this beaut in the mail today. Thanks Alanle for hooking me up.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160919/9d0c9d45c6a92b1f54c8c298e7729fc9.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160919/03d8f7a000b5b5ce9dc09b91d62a4c3d.jpg

[cali9dub]

These and then I need nuts for each side of the meter? Then any 1/8" od tube fitting with ferrules to connect to the port connector...is that correct ? Do I need front and rear ferrules or just front ??

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/C8CE4686-6740-4ACB-8472-D993575C5B81_zps9oyahtom.jpeg

Anyone??? Beuller ?? Beuller ??......Beuller....

[cali9dub]

Ok. I'll try one more time. Is this the way it goes together ?
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/6243EDE1-6766-464F-94E6-5F63336026B6_zpsn0krkqqj.jpg

[Jlentz]

Ok. I'll try one more time. Is this the way it goes together ?
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/6243EDE1-6766-464F-94E6-5F63336026B6_zpsn0krkqqj.jpg



I believe that is correct.


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[cali9dub]

Is teflon tape required at these port connector connections? Everything I read from swagelok doesn't show any teflon tape. It also has you hand tighten then do 1 1-4 turns after hand tighten for correct connection. I feel teflon tape might alter this where it won't get the proper tightness.

[cali9dub]

Also is this the way the other end connects? I had to remove the nut to take the pic, but I assume this is how the front and rear ferrules go on the tube ? @alanle
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/BA4EB52D-D395-4697-B2A7-4FB6AC23ADB3_zpsndafvsvs.jpg

[alanle]

Also is this the way the other end connects? I had to remove the nut to take the pic, but I assume this is how the front and rear ferrules go on the tube ? @alanle
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/cali9dub/Mobile%20Uploads/BA4EB52D-D395-4697-B2A7-4FB6AC23ADB3_zpsndafvsvs.jpg



Yes that is correct.


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[alanle]

Is teflon tape required at these port connector connections? Everything I read from swagelok doesn't show any teflon tape. It also has you hand tighten then do 1 1-4 turns after hand tighten for correct connection. I feel teflon tape might alter this where it won't get the proper tightness.



No teflon tape on tube connections


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[cali9dub]

No teflon tape on tube connections


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Great ! Thanks for the help !!

[cali9dub]

No teflon tape on tube connections


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Ok. I know not on the tube connectors themselves. But do I use teflon tape on the needle valve threads ??

[royvoss]

they do not need tape, only place tape would be used is on the npt thread,
npt=national pipe thread taper

[alanle]

Here's a vintage Victor SGT 160. Full stainless!
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/6a27b01134074cb2e50f2cb2c09f9423.jpg
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[Jlentz]

Here's a vintage Victor SGT 160. Full stainless!
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/6a27b01134074cb2e50f2cb2c09f9423.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/0b99529678cf2aeb3ae08e53187b4b35.jpg


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Where do find all these beautiful regulators at?


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[alanle]

Where do find all these beautiful regulators at?


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Hunting them on surplus sites


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[gus6464]

Hunting them on surplus sites


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What are some good surplus sites?

[alanle]

Google would be a good place


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[Jlentz]

Hunting them on surplus sites


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Thanks!


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[janey]

Hi everyone... And Alanle

i just got a new CO2 Tank. filled it up with CO2 and attached everything back on.

Now i cant get any bubble count.. Can the needle valve be defective .. i see air bubbles going into my 2nd small calcium chamber...

What am i doing Wrong..

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/janey6152/20161009_171049_zpseqperpux.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/janey6152/media/20161009_171049_zpseqperpux.jpg.html)

[ClownsRCoo]

You sure the bubble counter is filled with a fluid so you can actually see the gas going through it?


PlanetAquariums 171g (60x30x22) - RoyalExclusiv Dreambox - Bubble King Double Cone 200
**Total system volume - 225g**

[vhuang168]

Seems you are getting CO2 into the reactor. Are you saying you don't have any bubbles in the bubble counter? Maybe a picture of the setup would help?

Posted before you added the pix.

Are you sure the bubble counter has fluid in it?

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[janey]

I got it working... I had increase the air.. Ohhh WOOOO me..

[cali9dub]

@alanle your messages are full and cannot accept any more.

[alanle]

@alanle your messages are full and cannot accept any more.

empty

[gus6464]

How is the Airgas Y12-215D? Is it viable?

[bobafet1]

I have a 24V 2506. I ordered a 24V AC adapter for it and noticed it only has 2 wires. Does the 2506 require a ground wire to function properly?

[salty joe]

Terrific info on how to test a used dual regulator, Also, it's good to know that a single stage regulator dumps gas when the tank gets low, thanks alanle.

Couple questions.

How important is a check valve?
Any problem using polypropylene tubing for CO2?

[bobafet1]

Terrific info on how to test a used dual regulator, Also, it's good to know that a single stage regulator dumps gas when the tank gets low, thanks alanle.

Couple questions.

How important is a check valve?
Any problem using polypropylene tubing for CO2?


check valve is very important. Your feed line to the reactors are adding pressure. I'm assuming the feed line (input) pressure is greater then your effluent (output) therefore it needs to go somewhere, which can be your CO2 feed. You don't want salt water getting into your valves/regulator when the CO2 pressure drops lower then the input of the water.

Great queston on the poly tubing. I'd like to know as well.

[salty joe]

check valve is very important. Your feed line to the reactors are adding pressure. I'm assuming the feed line (input) pressure is greater then your effluent (output) therefore it needs to go somewhere, which can be your CO2 feed. You don't want salt water getting into your valves/regulator when the CO2 pressure drops lower then the input of the water.

Great queston on the poly tubing. I'd like to know as well.

Instead of a check valve, could the needle valve could be placed higher than aquarium?

Polypropylene has excellent resistance to CO2, just not sure if it's a bad choice for another reason.

[gus6464]

Instead of a check valve, could the needle valve could be placed higher than aquarium?

Polypropylene has excellent resistance to CO2, just not sure if it's a bad choice for another reason.

No. You need a check valve. What kind of needle valve do you have? Just buy a nice check valve from mcmaster and connect it to the output of the needle valve.

[salty joe]

The needle valve that came with my regulator was junk, so I replaced it with a Dwyer air meter which is not much better for fine adjustment. Anyway, I did get water in the Dwyer so I placed it above the aquarium, which solved that problem. I have a hard time trusting any check valve. In my mind, it's not if they fail but when.

[epicfish]

Anyone know what brand the Airgas Y12 regulators are? Looking for some internal parts but I don't know who the real manufacturer is.

Thanks.

[alanle]

I have 2 spare systems available. These were built for a show and I don't need it anymore. Regulator is a dual stage GO (rebranded from Swagelok). Clippard solenoid and stainless Parker needle valve. All parts are new.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/653193fd43d6b8f2e7565ec30157372c.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/f027a32ea2ffe169c93c678c15aaf65d.jpg


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[Ciwyn]

Hows this for a metering valve?

182351372281 I have an offer of $45 on it.

Then i have an offer on this reg.

322306294096

[vhuang168]

Hows this for a metering valve?



182351372281 I have an offer of $45 on it.



Then i have an offer on this reg.



322306294096


Reg looks good but be aware that it is not stainless but nickel plates brass. It will be fine for our use.

Metering valve looks to be correct.



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[Ciwyn]

Thanks. Didnt think it could be SS for that price but its a great start.

[Ciwyn]

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii605/bissell295/20161125_190439_zpshota1c2l.jpg (http://s1262.photobucket.com/user/bissell295/media/20161125_190439_zpshota1c2l.jpg.html)

So how do I get the metering valve connected to my fitting? I feel like I need an additional connector but I'm not sure what kind of connector?

[Mike Ordner]

I have purchased a CP brass regulator. In getting the metering valve and solenoid, should I keep all the metals brass or is is OK to mix brass and stainless steel? Thinking there could be issues with galvanic corrosion?

[lilchris]

Hello, I stumble across this tread on accident and have read all the way through it. It has made me want to build a regulator for you Co2 setup. I have been on ebay looking and came up with this for my first build.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291860296916?ul_noapp=true.
I'm not trying to get a highend regulator right now, just something that is better than my current one which is rusted out and not even sure if it works.