Jebao Cross Flow Pump

[2dawghouse]

So here's my story with my cp 40....first one I received the motor shaft was broken so it was replaced. Then the second one worked fine but it made a loud whining noise I couldn't get rid of. Now this motor has stopped working all in the few months I have had it (red light blinking error). Loved the flow the pump put out but skeptical about the reliability and noise. I do want to repair it and tinker with it though.

Does anyone know where you can get replacement parts for these?

[Ron Reefman]

karim, are you saying that the dc motor in the WP wavemaker pump is different from the dc pump in the Crossflow pump?

The 'dimmer' I used was inline between the power supply black box and the controller. Just want to be sure we are talking about the same kind of 'dimmer/rheostat.

[fenrizwolf]

Kind of depressing hearing about all the failures with this product. I really regret buying it.

[karimwassef]

Yes. The Jebao WP and the DC pumps have internal motor drives (inside the pump body) and the three wires to them deliver 24VDC, ground and a signal to set speed.

The crossflow and DCT pumps need controllers that generate the drive pulses, not DC. The three wires to them deliver phased pulse power A, B, and C. The phases' pulse widths determine speed. There is no DC signal that sets them.

This is now established by multiple DIYers who are trying to solve the problem.

Personally, I just plugged in a DC pump controller wire into a DCT pump... No go.

[aronj2]

based on the closest source to the jebao factory (fish street) they stopped shipping cp40's and waiting on an improved model wich should make it way better.

the english on the site is really really bad, eve worse than mine.

but i basically decided to try it out and pre_ordered the new and upgraded version wich will start shipping 31july.

i wonder what they changed.. its a complete blind purchase at this moment but since all my jebao gear is great.. only had 1 wp15 fail on me (of the 21 pumps running since the wp and rw launch) this motor just stipped working after 17months.. no big deal

[mcgyvr]

well.... I just purchased a CP-25 from Amazon for my 40B just to see how it is.. Should be here tomorrow.. We shall see how long it lasts and how well it performs..
I thought the cp-40 might be too big for it as I've got some fairly fine sand too so I went with the 25

[fenrizwolf]

Set up mine. Works fine and is quiet.

[tassod]

I just got the red light blinking error on my cp-40 and can't find any info on it. Is there a fix?

[kendrid]

I just got the red light blinking error on my cp-40 and can't find any info on it. Is there a fix?

Take it apart, put it back together and hope it works. With mine I've found that the red blinking can be caused by the device that holds the unit to the glass being too tight.

I just request a refund from Amazon for mine. My new unit is loud in every mode except constant flow. I want to use it in pulse mode and it is way too loud next to my desk. Maybe V2 will be better. I paid $140 for it and that is way too much for the issues it has had in one week of ownership. My RW-8s are going strong after a year and they were half the price.

[tassod]

IMO, both this jebao and maxspect gyre are garbage. I got mine from fish street 2-3 months ago. It was working ok but not the flow I expected. I took it apart twice already and it won't start up again. I should have kept my mp40s

[kendrid]

The flow on mine was quite amazing although it was only a week old.

Here is what Fish Street has on their site in regards to this pump:
2016 July 14
We being a Important Major Upgrade for CP Pump. All out of stock until end of July. Pre Order now
Major Upgrade will make more better for CP Pump

I owned an early model Gyre 150 and thought it's build quality was garbage. The Jebao seems better but is too loud for me.

[aronj2]

i pre ordered the improved version.

all real gyre around me are breaking.. and they still sell like mad for insanse prices (the 150 is like 400 dollar here)

[Ron Reefman]

Yes. The Jebao WP and the DC pumps have internal motor drives (inside the pump body) and the three wires to them deliver 24VDC, ground and a signal to set speed.

The crossflow and DCT pumps need controllers that generate the drive pulses, not DC. The three wires to them deliver phased pulse power A, B, and C. The phases' pulse widths determine speed. There is no DC signal that sets them.

This is now established by multiple DIYers who are trying to solve the problem.

Personally, I just plugged in a DC pump controller wire into a DCT pump... No go.

Thanks for the knowledge Karim. I appreciate the help.

[blowmecius]

Anyone use the Wi-fi controller? There was just an update in the app store and now when in "reef" mode, the pump tries to go into reverse and seems to get stuck and just starts shaking. I received an email from fish street some time ago about sending the controller back for a firmware update but never did.

I think the WI-fi controller was a complete waste of money for one pump. It adds one or two more modes but you loose the fwd/reverse gyre which I really like and you can't set the intensity or duration on the pre-programmed modes like you can on the original controller. Maybe it's just me but I put it in a drawer and went back to the original controller.

[mcgyvr]

well just installed the CP-25 cross flow in my 40 breeder .. and so far have no complaints.. But time will tell on how long it lasts..

It can certainly create some flow.. I'm running it at 60% in W3 mode (long duration on the dial) for now and see how that goes..
I didn't take it apart yet but I thought build quality is just fine.. Good solid feel for what it is..

Magnet is STRONG.. So strong in fact that it actually inverted the logic on the reed switch inside my ATO float switch about 3-4 inches away.. I noticed my ATO was on and noticed it was now triggering on in the up position and off in the down position.. .. It wasn't pulling the float down but it literally messed with the reed switch inside the float tube.. Had me stumped for a good 30 seconds.. :idea:

[d0ughb0y]

is there instructions on how to disassemble the cp-40 for cleaning?

I cannot find anything on google search.

[mcgyvr]

is there instructions on how to disassemble the cp-40 for cleaning?

I cannot find anything on google search.

Here.. Sorry can't find a PDF..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ezlh7jiortw6hgx/IMAG0163.jpg?dl=0

[kendrid]

Magnet is STRONG.. So strong in fact that it actually inverted the logic on the reed switch inside my ATO float switch about 3-4 inches away..


I had to send my first unit back to the seller today. It included the magnet mount. The seller sent me a USPS flat rate padded envelope to send it it.

I slid the envelope into the mailbox and it stuck to the inside of the door with a loud clang. I couldn't get my arm into the mailbox to release it and moving the door wasn't doing much. I stood there for minutes shaking the door until it finally fell into the mail pile.

I can't imagine how often it is going to get stuck on it's way back to California. That envelope is going to stick to everything it possibly can.

[karimwassef]

Didn't it come with a piece of metal to close the loop?

[kendrid]

Didn't it come with a piece of metal to close the loop?

The plate that connects outside the tank was attached to the pump.

[BIGCYCS805]

Just hooked mine up with a aqualink T1 and cant get the pump to work right the stock controller works fine the T1 only works in Reverse mode hmmmmmm

[d0ughb0y]

Here.. Sorry can't find a PDF..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ezlh7jiortw6hgx/IMAG0163.jpg?dl=0


thanks for that scanned manual.

I need more detailed instructions, like how exactly do you remove the lids on the two ends? do you pop it out with a flathead screwdriver? do you twist it?

I don't want to force and break something.

[kendrid]

thanks for that scanned manual.

I need more detailed instructions, like how exactly do you remove the lids on the two ends? do you pop it out with a flathead screwdriver? do you twist it?

I don't want to force and break something.

You can gently pry them off. Pry under the middle tab section. Without a photo it is hard to describe. Once you figure it out they aren't too bad to pop off.

[aronj2]

there is now also a cp55 pump

http://www.fish-street.com/jebao_wifi_cross_flow_pump_cp-55

[karimwassef]

interesting note on fish street about Amazon chinese sellers offering chinese goods that don't have ic protected power supplies and causing mass returns due to failures.

[d0ughb0y]

interesting note on fish street about Amazon chinese sellers offering chinese goods that don't have ic protected power supplies and causing mass returns due to failures.

That is bs. The difference is probably just the label and manual. Not any different from gray market camera equipment. They have caught on to greed just like the US distributor of the competing product. They don't want other sellers eating away their profits. Inciting fear is a marketing strategy, but is not a good one.
Imagine the other sellers dropping the price of cp to about half the original price, I would not be surprised if they still make at least 100% markup at that price.
fish street used to sell at a reasonable price, but you see wordings in their site about, we are increasing the price due to high demand. if they go back to selling at a lower price, they should not be worried about the small sellers on ebay and amazon cutting into their profit. I'm sure fish street can undercut them if they want to due to the volume they deal with.

[mcgyvr]

That is bs. The difference is probably just the label and manual. Not any different from gray market camera equipment. They have caught on to greed just like the US distributor of the competing product. They don't want other sellers eating away their profits. Inciting fear is a marketing strategy, but is not a good one.
Imagine the other sellers dropping the price of cp to about half the original price, I would not be surprised if they still make at least 100% markup at that price.
fish street used to sell at a reasonable price, but you see wordings in their site about, we are increasing the price due to high demand. if they go back to selling at a lower price, they should not be worried about the small sellers on ebay and amazon cutting into their profit. I'm sure fish street can undercut them if they want to due to the volume they deal with.

I love it.. Even China is complaining that China is screwing them..

I agree though... really NO point in purchasing from Fishstreet.. their prices are higher/shipping is expensive,etc.. Amazon is killing them too just like many other "small businesses".. No one can compete..
I just got my CP-25 right from amazon and its got the proper "label" according the fishstreet images.. got it in 2 days too.. Pricing was a bit higher than Ebay but I have more faith in Amazon getting me the right product or fixing any issues with fakes,etc... so I gladly paid the extra price which was still cheaper than fishstreet..

[d0ughb0y]

how much did you pay for cp-25 on amazon?
it was going for $75 on ebay.
I have not found anything cheaper on amazon compared to ebay ever since amazon was required to charge sales tax. True you get the prime guarantee though, but ebay guarantee works as well.

ok, I misread that amazon was cheaper than ebay.

[Elo500]

Can someone explain the latest post on fish street. Something about a new model or upgraded firmware. Will it be possible to flash the current version or buy controller to get new functionality?

2016 July 14
We being a Important Major Upgrade for CP Pump. All out of stock until end of July. Pre Order now
Major Upgrade will make more better for CP Pump

2016 July ~ Latest Update with the Firmware with Big Free Upgrade~ Increase Motor can ClockWise or Reserve Function , Add Silent Function + Sink Technology with Pump + Save Energy Operation Since Jebao Pump is change a Version A or Version B. It;s will reserve for the pump operation . Only Fish Street can provides the latest news from Jebao ! (For Feb to May customer which order is no need to upgrade since it is A version for Pump)

[aronj2]

i will let u know when i have t

i pre ordered 2..

in the meantime the cp55 came out.
dont know what changed.. nobody knows yet.

i think they start shipping on monday.

[blowmecius]

thanks for that scanned manual.

I need more detailed instructions, like how exactly do you remove the lids on the two ends? do you pop it out with a flathead screwdriver? do you twist it?

I don't want to force and break something.

Go to page 40 of this thread.

[karimwassef]

wow. this thread is 52 pages long already? Yikes!

[cnbridge]

i will let u know when i have t

i pre ordered 2..

in the meantime the cp55 came out.
dont know what changed.. nobody knows yet.

i think they start shipping on monday.
I emailed jebao about this and they stated there was no upgrade. Not sure what fish-street is talking about. Maybe there talking about their T1 controller.

[aronj2]

thats cool...
no its not t1 upgrade.. the site in broken english sais:
it will make better pump..
we will ser... its not shipped yet

[d0ughb0y]

Go to page 40 of this thread.

thanks that has better details. (its on page 20 for me since I configure my page to show maximum number of posts) I'll try it later when I get home.

I take it this -

You can remove the end caps with a bit of practice, however I find it easier to slightly bend the mount which releases one side of the pump from the mount, held in with a rubber vibration absorbing mount. (you can then release the end cap much more easily.

is this similar to how to disassemble the rw pump, where you literally pull the bracket apart so the pump comes off the bracket?

[tastyfish]

thanks that has better details. (its on page 20 for me since I configure my page to show maximum number of posts) I'll try it later when I get home.

I take it this -

You can remove the end caps with a bit of practice, however I find it easier to slightly bend the mount which releases one side of the pump from the mount, held in with a rubber vibration absorbing mount. (you can then release the end cap much more easily.

is this similar to how to disassemble the rw pump, where you literally pull the bracket apart so the pump comes off the bracket?


The way I do it is to push the end of the mount out cap with my thumbs, bending the mounting slightly which releases the end and allows you to remove the pump and rotor assembly. You can then just push out the end caps with your thumb by pushing the small tab between the mounting arms. I haven't managed to remove the end caps without doing this.


I've had a couple of failures on the CP-40's - both at once, two new motor units have been supplied and a new rotor for each side of one. Both are now working perfectly again.

Eric was suggesting that there is a new version (V3) of the pump coming out early August -this solves the issue of the motor stall detection being a little too sensitive which was my issue.

[d0ughb0y]

I just tried by prying the holder away to release the pump, exactly just like how it is done on RW pumps. After checking out how the end cap is clamped on, I can see the big tab is on the bottom side (magnet side). so if you can lift that tab out a little, the end cap should come off easily.

[tastyfish]

The new V3 replacement pumps are working well, no issues so far, although reverse is still pants... :)

[ADVRESOURCE]

I finally put one of my Jecod crossflows to work. It's in an 18x18x10 frag tank. I set it at the bottom so it will run one way and blow stuff off the bottom from underneath the egg crate racks and then the other way to push water along the top toward the weir/overflow. So far so good. I need to cut down my egg crate floor as the pump takes up some of the room at the bottom. I intend to cut it in half and attach magnets so I'll have 2 easily removable racks that can go into other tanks if I need them out of the frag tank.

I've had a Maxspect Gyre for 2 or 3 months now. It's on one end of my 180g sps/lps reef tank. I've had zero issues with it so far.

Comparing the two, I like the Maxspect controller a little better, but they are not all that different. The Jecod pump does feel a bit heavier and more stout. We'll see how it runs for the long haul. My first thoughts are, I can't justify the extra cost of the Maxspect Gyre.

I have quite a few of the original Jebao WP wavemakers and I've had issues with some. All in all I'm not impressed, but for the cost difference, they are OK. I think the newer generations have been better built. I also have 4 of the first generations of the Jebao DC12000 pumps and a new DCT15000 and the DC12000 are all working flawlessly for more than 2 years. The DCT15000 isn't in use yet, but it does seem even more stout than the DC generation. And I assume the newer generations are even better. I'm hoping Jecod has learned a thing or two and the new Crossflow will be durabile right from the start.

Have you tried the new rugged bushings and propellers? Do they fit on the old rotors?

[aronj2]

how about flow on yours?
i just put mine in . constant flow.. 100%.. and its about half as powerfull as a maxspect 150...
is this normal?
its not put together really nicely.. maybe i need to re assemble this?

[tastyfish]

how about flow on yours?
i just put mine in . constant flow.. 100%.. and its about half as powerfull as a maxspect 150...
is this normal?
its not put together really nicely.. maybe i need to re assemble this?

I've not had a Gyre so can't draw direct comparisons, however those I know who have had both have reported the cross flow is almost on par, not quite, but certainly not only half as powerful.

I would check it is assembled correctly, the cable comes out of the bottom and the blades point downwards.

[mandarin_goby]

My CP 40 died. Who do I contact about a replacement? Thank you for any info.

[mcgyvr]

My CP 40 died. Who do I contact about a replacement? Thank you for any info.
Who did you buy it from?
Are you sure its covered under a warranty?

[mandarin_goby]

Who did you buy it from?
Are you sure its covered under a warranty?

I bought it from a vendor on ebay in May. I thought perhaps the manufacturer had a warranty, or maybe that's just wishful thinking!

I've taken it completely apart and see no visible issues. The motor spins until I add the blades back to the unit, then nothing. It freezes up. Very disappointing :/

[mandarin_goby]

Pt 2...

The rotor has a ceramic driveshaft which sits in ceramic bearings. When stripped down, it looks like this:

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/robhale77/New%20Tank/BAA6010A-A57E-4480-9DCC-B1D714B04333_zpstt3uj9id.jpg (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/robhale77/media/New%20Tank/BAA6010A-A57E-4480-9DCC-B1D714B04333_zpstt3uj9id.jpg.html)

Here's the rotor on its own:
http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/robhale77/New%20Tank/B6F88E87-FA11-4E8B-BC0C-5D1E71C345FA_zpsqevvjr6w.jpg (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/robhale77/media/New%20Tank/B6F88E87-FA11-4E8B-BC0C-5D1E71C345FA_zpsqevvjr6w.jpg.html)


Replacement is the reverse, replace the bearing on the end of the rotor shaft and gently replace into the cage.

When installed, look closely in the end. Note the position of the two lugs at either side.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/robhale77/New%20Tank/0454FE3C-489B-4A05-BC17-0537D7E623AE_zpsyxezspwv.jpg (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/robhale77/media/New%20Tank/0454FE3C-489B-4A05-BC17-0537D7E623AE_zpsyxezspwv.jpg.html)

Match it up with the indendations on the end cap and replace it. (there will still be some movement of the rotor side to side in the cage.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/robhale77/New%20Tank/B6F88E87-FA11-4E8B-BC0C-5D1E71C345FA_zpsqevvjr6w.jpg (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/robhale77/media/New%20Tank/B6F88E87-FA11-4E8B-BC0C-5D1E71C345FA_zpsqevvjr6w.jpg.html)

Reverse the above to re-assemble. There are little rubber lugs on rubber mounts which hold the pump in the cradle/mount, just make sure these are aligined with the indents on the mount. Replace the end caps.

Thoughts: The blades on the rotors will bend if you really push on them, although the whole rotor is pretty solid! I'd be impressed if anyone manages to break them unless they really try to.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for this post! I thought I had mine completely torn apart after it stopped working - going to take the rotors apart as well.

[tastyfish]

No problem, just be aware, you can't see it in the picture, but each ceramic bearing sits in a rubber grommet, just ensure that the they are re-assembled the right way and that bearings are seated squarely.

It's worth ensuring that the bulkhead is correctly aligned with the indents matching the ridges on the rotor cages, when you re-assemble, just make sure you can see the splines protrude past the bulkhead on the inside of the rotor cage and that the rotor spins.

Note: There have been issues with the first version of the motor blocks, you will get a red light on the controller and the motor stalls. V3 sorts this out and fish street replaced mine.

[mandarin_goby]

That's the problem I'm having - the red warning light is on and the motor is stalled. I should have bought it from Fish Street :/ Thanks again for the great tutorial.

[d0ughb0y]

check the ebay listing you got it from. The ebay seller I got mine from has 6 months warranty.

[BIGCYCS805]

check the ebay listing you got it from. The ebay seller I got mine from has 6 months warranty.
Which seller is this pm me the info if you dont want to post it please I've messaged everyone selling them on eBay about warranty and nobody has responded all I asked them was if they carry a warranty and I haven't got one response yet lol

[mandarin_goby]

This listing states a 1 year warranty: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JECOD-JEBAO-CP-40-Cross-Flow-Pump-Wave-Maker-Free-Shipping-1-Year-Warranty-/252430885468?hash=item3ac60da25c:g:JuIAAOSwnNBXZsee

[mandarin_goby]

check the ebay listing you got it from. The ebay seller I got mine from has 6 months warranty.

I just emailed him...fingers crossed.

[mandarin_goby]

The seller is sending me a new motor and impeller for a $10 handling fee. Hopefully I can fix the pump!

[BIGCYCS805]

This listing states a 1 year warranty: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JECOD-JEBAO-CP-40-Cross-Flow-Pump-Wave-Maker-Free-Shipping-1-Year-Warranty-/252430885468?hash=item3ac60da25c:g:JuIAAOSwnNBXZsee
Nice im on it just got a few responses with 60 and 180 day warranty this ones way better

[aronj2]

I've not had a Gyre so can't draw direct comparisons, however those I know who have had both have reported the cross flow is almost on par, not quite, but certainly not only half as powerful.

I would check it is assembled correctly, the cable comes out of the bottom and the blades point downwards.

wait.. cable comes out the bottom?
mine comes out the top?

i took it all appart. the housing was a bit twisted and the end rubbers. hilding the whole thing in place was not positiones correctly.

its good now.. silent and powerfull..

like u say. almosr as powerfull as xf150.. my xf150 broke again.. never ran for more than 2 months

[mandarin_goby]

Received the replacement motor and rotors and it works perfectly. Really happy with the service from this seller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-JEBAO-JECOD-CP-40-Cross-Flow-Pump-/222119117909?hash=item33b754c455:g:9SkAAOSwiYFXJEIO

[mandarin_goby]

What's the consensus regarding the cord placement? Should it be coming out of the top or bottom of the motor, or does it really matter as long as the blades on the rotors point downwards? I want to get the max flow out of this. In pics and videos I've seen, I've seen the cord coming out from both the top and bottom. Thanks in advance!

[aqua tech]

This might have already been asked but does anyone know where to get replacement parts.... I believe my motor is shot, sounds like it wants to turn then I get the red light. I've taken apart and cleaned several times even gave it a vinegar bath to get everything little thing off of it but still didn't help.

[mcgyvr]

What's the consensus regarding the cord placement?

Cord should be coming out the top..

[mandarin_goby]

This might have already been asked but does anyone know where to get replacement parts.... I believe my motor is shot, sounds like it wants to turn then I get the red light. I've taken apart and cleaned several times even gave it a vinegar bath to get everything little thing off of it but still didn't help.

I was lucky my eBay seller offered a replacement motor and rotors for $10, all I had to do was ask. Where did you buy yours from? I had the same issue - the red light of death.

[robert125381]

Thinking about purchasing these pumps for my jbj 45 should I go with the CP 25 or get the CP 40 and run it at low settings?

[aqua tech]

I bought it from my local fish store and have no idea where they got them from. It lasted about 3 months before [profanity] the bed. I'd like to fix it and sell it don't really trust it anymore after that.

[aqua tech]

Thinking about purchasing these pumps for my jbj 45 should I go with the CP 25 or get the CP 40 and run it at low settings?

The 40 will be way too much in a 45gallon tank. I ran the 40 on my 90 gallon and it was almost too much. I recently switched back to my pp8 which are perfect for my tank.

[mandarin_goby]

I bought it from my local fish store and have no idea where they got them from. It lasted about 3 months before [profanity] the bed. I'd like to fix it and sell it don't really trust it anymore after that.

Maybe the manufacturer/supplier could send the store a replacement for you? I'm thinking ours was from an early batch with an issue that's since been fixed. It was almost as if my seller expected the problems and had replacements on hand. Best of luck!

[tastyfish]

Cord should be coming out the top..

That depends... On which diagram you look at and which way the sticker is stuck on! :lolspin:

Mine were first generation and everything shows cable at the bottom. They also seemed to perform much better this way, with a notable difference in flow of one was set one way and he opposing, the other.

I'll check which way round the V3 motors are that they shipped to me as I can't remember without looking.

[robert125381]

thanks man ill go with the 25!

[d0ughb0y]

thanks man ill go with the 25!

yes, go with 25.

I got a 40 for my 60gal and it runs at lowest setting.

running a 40 on your jbj will turn it into a washing machine. lol.

[tastyfish]

I run two cp-40's in a 4x2x2. The highest I would ever go is 30%, typically scaled back to 20%!

PS: just checked, cables should exit the bottom of the motors.

[LoneStarReef]

Is the Jebao Cross Flow compatible with Apex?

[robert125381]

I am looking to pick one of these up right now for by jbj 45 is there a Specific seller I should buy from? Just making sure there isnt a revised version out there that I am going to potentially miss out on.

[iced98lx]

I've had mine from one of hte first batches. (CP-40), still running it at 100% W2 on my 180. I clean it now and then by simply wiping my hands across the intake/exit grills. No issues thus far, I've never taken it apart.

I will say the ramp up/ramp down is noticeably louder than my RW-15 and always has been. not a mechanical sound but an electric motor sound.

[mandarin_goby]

Is the Jebao Cross Flow compatible with Apex?

I have mine connected to an Apex with no issues.

[tastyfish]

I have mine connected to an Apex with no issues.


By that do you mean the apex is controlling power to the plug socket via the power bar or that you have integrated the controller?

AFAIK, the apex/Jebao controllers are not compatible (as tested by a few) and result in damage as the controlling electronics in the cross flows are in the controller, not the pump itself as with the RW's.

Would be great to hear what you have done. Mine are currently controlled on/off with the apex on the plug bar.

[mandarin_goby]

I have the same setup as you...the Apex is controlling the on/off function of the pump.

[mandarin_goby]

Got the red light of death again with the new motor/impellers. I'm sending the defective ones back to the seller for a complete replacement. If this one craps out, I may have to go with the Gyre :/ I really want one that works - the flow is great as is the price.

[ioraan]

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[gotwins86]

Have had my CP-40 for about a month now, loving it. Thinking of getting an aqualink t1, anyone have one? How do you like it? Worth it? Can't find much for reviews on the aqualink t1.

[blowmecius]

Have had my CP-40 for about a month now, loving it. Thinking of getting an aqualink t1, anyone have one? How do you like it? Worth it? Can't find much for reviews on the aqualink t1.

I bought one. Also use it with CP-40 which I love. The Aqualink T1 has issues.

Reef mode does not work. After selecting this mode it will run for a few minutes then the pump will lock up and start shaking. You have to unplug the pump and choose a new mode.

Pulse mode does not work if you change the time interval. If you change the pulse time interval it never comes back on. Again, you have to unplug and choose another mode to restart.

Gyre mode does not alternate fwd/reverse like the basic controller.

Intensity of all modes except Normal and Reverse are not adjustable.

I have not played around too much with the programmable function because I do not trust it and I do not have 24 hours to babysit it and see if it will just lock up.

I used it on Nature mode in 90 gallon soft/lps tank and its OK but it could really use a little more flow. The reef mode would be perfect, but it does not work. Every day or so I use normal and reverse modes cranked up to blow off detritus. The only reason I am still using it is that the pump is dead silent in this mode with the T1.

They did send me an email about a firmware update but I have to send it to China which probably isn't going to happen. This update may have fixed these issues but I cant say and I would recommend you save your hard earned money until it can be verified that it works as it is supposed to.

[tastyfish]

I have the same setup as you...the Apex is controlling the on/off function of the pump.

Damn, for a minute I thought you'd found an Apex interface... :). Thanks for clarifying.

What does your schedule look like? Are you running them at night or is the tank flat calm until first light?

Got the red light of death again with the new motor/impellers. I'm sending the defective ones back to the seller for a complete replacement. If this one craps out, I may have to go with the Gyre :/ I really want one that works - the flow is great as is the price.

Sorry to hear this. I went with the Jebao as I didn't want all the issues with the Gyres. Hopefully it's sorted now. Make sure they are sending you the V3 parts, I qualified it twice with Eric @ Fish Street to ensure this was done. So far (touch real oak cabinet), they're performing flawlessly since the V3 motor switch.

Have had my CP-40 for about a month now, loving it. Thinking of getting an aqualink t1, anyone have one? How do you like it? Worth it? Can't find much for reviews on the aqualink t1.

I've not heard good things at all on the Aqualink T1. I have actively avoided due to the issues (and the fact I want integration with the Apex). I have mine set on W3 at opposite ends of the tank and they perform really well without need for programs (feed mode and overnight power off is achieved with the Apex power bar).

[mandarin_goby]

Damn, for a minute I thought you'd found an Apex interface... :). Thanks for clarifying.

What does your schedule look like? Are you running them at night or is the tank flat calm until first light?

I do run them at night, nothing fancy yet...I use the W3 setting at the 3rd LED light power-wise.

Sorry to hear this. I went with the Jebao as I didn't want all the issues with the Gyres. Hopefully it's sorted now. Make sure they are sending you the V3 parts, I qualified it twice with Eric @ Fish Street to ensure this was done. So far (touch real oak cabinet), they're performing flawlessly since the V3 motor switch.

Fingers crossed I get V3! Good to hear yours are doing great. I love this pump and I'm bummed about the bad luck I've had with them.

[mcgyvr]

I'll probably be selling my CP-25..
Its just too loud/annoying for me at full power.. I can hear it all over my downstairs/while watching TV,etc.. (My house is QUIET.. Could hear a pin drop across from a room over)

[mandarin_goby]

I am done with the crossflow. The seller sent me a replacement for the 1st one. The replacement worked for a week. He offered a replacement if I sent the 2 broken ones back at my expense, so I agreed as long as it was new. I received an opened pump that failed in 5 hours. I ordered a Gyre.

[kendrid]

I'll probably be selling my CP-25..
Its just too loud/annoying for me at full power.. I can hear it all over my downstairs/while watching TV,etc.. (My house is QUIET.. Could hear a pin drop across from a room over)

That was my issue with them. I have in wall next to my work at home desk ant it was loud. I switched to an RW-15 and it is silent compared to the gyre. I preferred the flow of the gyre but I couldn't stand the noises.

[Spectorman]

I have the jebao gyre knock off. I've had it a few months now. It's being run in an 92 gallon corner tank. It is the only pump in the tank besides a small pump to disturb the water surface. I have to say it is very strong. It may even be too strong for my tank. Oh,everything worked right out of the box too. No complaints.

[xCry0x]

I just bought one of the 1 year warranty ebay seller ones: http://www.ebay.com/itm/252430885468

Will see how it works out.

Bought from that seller for 2 reasons.

1) Longest warranty period
2) After contacting a few sellers about a warranty, that was the seller that communicated the best. (quick to respond, good english)

There was one seller that was located closer to me (consideration for quicker return times if needed) and they offered a 90 day warranty. However, their response was very broken english which concerns me with a purchase that may need a return/repair on.

Would also add, the seller I bought from said out of all he has sold he has had 6 returns. 3 of which worked fine when tested, 2 had a bad motor and the 6th had a broken shaft which they assume was likely user error.

Said the biggest thing he has seen is that they can be finicky with getting out of alignment. Often times users inadvertently pull the motor out of alignment by pulling the cable when installing.

Also said he had emailed Jebao about what fish street was advertising and Jebao told him they didn't know what fish street was talking about. Which is interesting.

[xCry0x]

And by just bought I mean I bought it last week and it came today.

First impressions are great.

Seems sturdy, that magnet is super strong. I like that the powerhead in tank is mounted to the in tank magnet w/ vibration reducing rubber pins similar to what you see on computer fan mounts.

Pretty much dead quiet. A lot quieter than my Mp-10 (which to be fair was manufactured in 2011).

Also moves water like I wanted. I have 2 700 gph returns in my tank w/ spin streams mounted on them for random-ish flow aimed back -> front in the tank. Needed one thing going right -> left moving water across the returns.

Kicked up all sorts of gunk, have it running fairly low right now, only on about the 4th light in a 36" long tank.

Interested to see if it works long term.

Have to say the controller was a bit unintuitive. I plugged it in on full blast then started turning the knob -- nothing happened. Had to get the instruction booklet out -- press the speed button to lower the speed... ok. The knob changes the wave pattern apparently. =)

[tc2007]

OK. My CP-25 bit the dust after 3 months. Anyone want it for parts? Make me an offer :)

[moosehead]

Are the new models our yet with the improved motor..does anyone have one and how is working for you ?

[xCry0x]

From talking to the ebay seller I bought from, Jecod told him they had no idea what fish street was talking about as far as an improved version.

So someone is not telling the whole truth somewhere in there.

[BIGCYCS805]

From talking to the ebay seller I bought from, Jecod told him they had no idea what fish street was talking about as far as an improved version.

So someone is not telling the whole truth somewhere in there.
I was told the same thing from 2 different vendors they said they released a big version cp55 or something and thats it

[lance1337]

I bought the CP-40 for my 265. It's at 100%. So far so good. Works just as good as my RW-20, except it doesn't chop up fish.

[aronj2]

if cp55 comes out.. i will buy it instantly for my 150g

[moosehead]

Is this pump worth buying? or should I go gyre?

[Ron Reefman]

Is this pump worth buying? or should I go gyre?

I have both. Personally I like the controller on the Maxspect better, but the Jebao pump feels much more hefty and well built. The Maxspect feels frail and the jebao controller is much more limited.

Conclusion: Both have been running for several months with no issues. If I need another one, I'll save the $100+ and buy the Jebao.

[mandarin_goby]

Is this pump worth buying? or should I go gyre?

After 3 failed crossflows, I went Gyre and haven't looked back. I took them apart, put them back together and nothing - frozen motors each time. Yes, the crossflow is more hefty, but the motor just likes to fail so you get the flashing red light of death. The Gyre has run flawlessly since I started it up. The controls are much nicer and there's more support out there if there's ever an issue, plus, there's a 1 yr warranty and they even give you spare parts in the box. I say save yourself the trouble and go Gyre.

[jason2459]

+1 on Coralvue's support for the gyre here in the US. At least they've always helped me answer questions or replace things under warranty.

But seems like hit and miss support for maxspect in other countries. Unless things have changed it seems like Canadians get terrible support for Maxspect products. I hope it's changed.

[xCry0x]

About a month in with my cp-40, still working flawlessly. My ears are thankful for moving from the mp-10 to the crossflow =) No more whirring noise.

Whether you go crossflow or gyre, I highly recommend the underlying pump.

[crstlblu2002]

BIGCYCS805, did you ever end up getting the crossflow cp 40? I saw on other posts hat you were replacing Rw 8's. I cant decide which to go with on my 6' 125 gallon. I had originally ordered the crossflow cp 25 (on accident) and that was very weak flow (good for maybe a 75 gallon tank I would say). I returned it. I'm trying to decide on one CP 40 or 2 RW8's or 2 RW 15's ? Any input?

[BIGCYCS805]

BIGCYCS805, did you ever end up getting the crossflow cp 40? I saw on other posts hat you were replacing Rw 8's. I cant decide which to go with on my 6' 125 gallon. I had originally ordered the crossflow cp 25 (on accident) and that was very weak flow (good for maybe a 75 gallon tank I would say). I returned it. I'm trying to decide on one CP 40 or 2 RW8's or 2 RW 15's ? Any input?
I did i started with one with a aqualink t1 and it had good flow just not enough so added a second with another aqualink t1 and I'm happy with the flow now. my return pump has a one-inch squid with two returns one on the left one on the right so I get good random flow the cp40s are facing each other from side to side my returns blast forward towards the glass
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[d-man]

Sorry, but a long thread to read, so if this has been asked I apologize.
Are they planning to come out with a larger version?
My tank is 860g and need a lil more flow than these offer.

I have 2xrw20's
And 3xwp60's. It's nice, but would like to have a crossflow on each end of the 12' tank as well.
Thx

[mcgyvr]

My CP25 just crapped out today.. (Installed on 7/24/16)
I have it down to just the motor section and it still won't run.. It "twitches" a few times on initial start then I just hear a "sizzle".. then just throws the motor lock up LED...
Seems like the 2 ceramic bushings around the magnet shaft are worn and the impeller won't stay centered properly in the motor hole so the poles don't control it properly..

But I just ordered 2 x PP8 to replace it.. I've been very happy with the PP series pumps before..

[BIGCYCS805]

Sorry, but a long thread to read, so if this has been asked I apologize.
Are they planning to come out with a larger version?
My tank is 860g and need a lil more flow than these offer.

I have 2xrw20's
And 3xwp60's. It's nice, but would like to have a crossflow on each end of the 12' tank as well.
Thx
I believe they do have a cp55 or something like that

[Ron Reefman]

OK, one of my Crossflow CP-40 drives just gave me the red light of death. Does anybody sell replacements?

[gamation]

Hi! My cp40 keeps resetting and changing speeds.. maybe some controller issue. Has it happened to any of you? Thanks

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[Buzz1329]

Brent and Ron I don't think you have a clue on what it takes to run a business. To bring a new product to a niche market you have R&D, promotional cost, admin costs, manufacturing costs, regulations, warranties, pricing agreements and on and on. Maybe Ron they can't reduce their cost to $125.00. Brent the most efficient manufacturing is always going to get the job.

There is a marketing rule, be careful to intodruce a new product, the second guy will copy you and win.

When some says that LFS mark items up to high, that is the most stupid statement of all! Do you know what it cost to run a LFS or for that matter any retail store and make it work?

Capitalism is great, if not for it this web site would exist because most of us could not afford a reef tank. If you don't like it you do not have to buy a product. With capitalism we are not standing in line hoping we can buy basic needs.

If you disagree with pricing then you are free not to buy it.

I'm confused. You say the most efficient manufacturer will get the job, that the company that copies another's new product will win, that if a consumer does not like the price of a product, s/he can chose not to buy it, and that's how capitalism works. So I guess you're saying that Jabao is following the principles of capitalism?

[jason2459]

OK, one of my Crossflow CP-40 drives just gave me the red light of death. Does anybody sell replacements?
Sorry if this is useless but have you pulled it all apart, rinsed and scrubbed(vinegar to maybe), and put back together? Or is it purely a controller thing?

[Ron Reefman]

Sorry if this is useless but have you pulled it all apart, rinsed and scrubbed(vinegar to maybe), and put back together? Or is it purely a controller thing?

Never useless from you Jason.

I took it apart and both sides spin free and easy. The motor spins free when I turn it by hand. This motor doesn't run on either controller (I have 2 Crossflows and a 3rd on order now) and the other Crossflow runs fine on either controller. I assume this motor is just dead? It's not frozen, it just won't run and gives the red light. But the bad motor is in a vinegar bath now! :thumbsup:

To others who have had motor failures: Have the motor failures been frozen or did the motor still turn easily by hand?

[BIGCYCS805]

Never useless from you Jason.

I took it apart and both sides spin free and easy. The motor spins free when I turn it by hand. This motor doesn't run on either controller (I have 2 Crossflows and a 3rd on order now) and the other Crossflow runs fine on either controller. I assume this motor is just dead? It's not frozen, it just won't run and gives the red light. But the bad motor is in a vinegar bath now! [emoji106]

To others who have had motor failures: Have the motor failures been frozen or did the motor still turn easily by hand?
You say you have other cross flows have you tried using other controllers and power supplies to make sure that it's not the power supply or controller and isolate it as the pump that's the problem

[d0ughb0y]

Never useless from you Jason.

I took it apart and both sides spin free and easy. The motor spins free when I turn it by hand. This motor doesn't run on either controller (I have 2 Crossflows and a 3rd on order now) and the other Crossflow runs fine on either controller. I assume this motor is just dead? It's not frozen, it just won't run and gives the red light. But the bad motor is in a vinegar bath now! :thumbsup:

To others who have had motor failures: Have the motor failures been frozen or did the motor still turn easily by hand?

could be a bad motor. try hooking it up to the controller with the cage and propeller removed and see if it spins up when you plug in power to the controller. It's ok to let it spin dry for a short period of time if it does spin. If it really does not spin or move, then you now have spare propeller and cage.

[iced98lx]

Just checking in, mine is still working fine, running full tilt in my 180.

[Sonyardo]

Mine lasted 3 months. I've got to box it up and send it in to be evaluated. At least it sounds like they're going to make it right.

[kegogut]

My CP-40 lasted 4 months. I contacted fish-street and it was still under warranty. They sent me out a new one,was just the PH and not the controller since my controller was still fine. So far so good with the second one.

[Ron Reefman]

You say you have other cross flows have you tried using other controllers and power supplies to make sure that it's not the power supply or controller and isolate it as the pump that's the problem

could be a bad motor. try hooking it up to the controller with the cage and propeller removed and see if it spins up when you plug in power to the controller. It's ok to let it spin dry for a short period of time if it does spin. If it really does not spin or move, then you now have spare propeller and cage.

Yes and yes. I kind of thought that was clear from my post. The dead drive does not run in the other system (controller/power supply) and the good motor runs fine with the dead drives controller and power supply. I've tried running it without the cages. Nothing. But the shaft spins freely by hand and the cages do as well.

I guess I'll just have spare cages, controller, power supply and magnetic base if I ever need them once the new CP-40 arrives. Anybody need spare parts?:wavehand:

[BIGCYCS805]

Yes and yes. I kind of thought that was clear from my post. The dead drive does not run in the other system (controller/power supply) and the good motor runs fine with the dead drives controller and power supply. I've tried running it without the cages. Nothing. But the shaft spins freely by hand and the cages do as well.

I guess I'll just have spare cages, controller, power supply and magnetic base if I ever need them once the new CP-40 arrives. Anybody need spare parts?:wavehand:
10/4 don't know how I missed that I was just asking I had a problem with one cp40 getting the red light within a week I was waiting for aquatic deal to come up with a solution for a month in the meantime I ordered a second pump from a different vendor due to my experience with aquatic deal and a pair of aqualink T1's anticipating the repair of the one pump so at least I have it on hand when I get it.

after going back and forth with the one vendor I just got frustrated and hooked the pump up to the T1 and both work I think I had a fault in the controller or maybe the controller's too sensitive but both are running fine aquatic deal agreed to send me a replacement or refund me my money upon shipping it back to them at my expense after they receive it but after a month-and-a-half of going back and forth and waiting for them to contact me I just gave up and since it's running with the aqua link T1 I see no need.

I didn't want to wait no longer as it took him a month to ship it to me and then I waited a month and a half for them to figure out a solution on the dead pump with just emails exchanged back and forth I figured if it's running with the T1 I just leave it and if it dies I'll replace it with a different pump easy peasy less hassle

[mcgyvr]

To others who have had motor failures: Have the motor failures been frozen or did the motor still turn easily by hand?

On mine with the exact same symptoms the impeller/cylindrical magnet spins freely in the motor block..
I suspect that the ceramic bearings are out of round/oversized hole causing the motor to not stay centered and not be controlled properly..

If I move/hold it perfectly I can get it to spin just a bit.. But then it goes off center due to the bushings and just stops..

[d0ughb0y]

These newer BLDC type motor pumps do not have any electronics in the pump. It literally has the 3 wires going in and forms magnetic coils that pushes against the stator magnets. if the coils are powered and magnets are energized, it is supposed to repel the stator magnet and start the motion. So if it does not spin, then the coil is not getting power. The controller can detect if the motor is spinning and after a few seconds of start up time, it does not detect spin, then it will flash the red light.

The other thing that can cause a red light flash is over current. Typically when I plug in the power jack to the controller, there will be some sparks. This is the initial current surge to charge the big capacitor as well as the current surge to start up the motor.
Ron, do you get the sparks when you plug in the power jack to the controller that is connected to the pump?

[d0ughb0y]

if you have a multitester, you can measure the resistance across each of the 3 terminals on the connector to the pump. The resistance should be a few ohms and should be about the same for all 3. Mine measures about 6 ohms. Any one that is open or shorted will cause the pump to not turn.

[d-man]

Haven't found anything on a Cp-55

[Ron Reefman]

Well, I just read what you asked about and offered in the way of help d0ughb0y, so I'll check into those points. Yes I do get a spark if I plug the controller into the power supply. But I've always put the entire system together first and then plugged it into the wall.

And today my 2nd CP40 failed. I think I'm done with anything that is first generation Jebao from now on.

[gamation]

Hi everyone,

so my cp40 is not working anymore. I bought it whrn it first came out on FS and a few months later - red light on the controller. FS sent me a new replacement motor part (v3) and it worked fine for a month. Now the issue is that on W1 (which is the mode I use) 1 of 2 things happen: the controller decreases speed to speed 2 or the pump gets like stuck emitting vibrations. I contacted FS and they told me that the v3 motor part can't work with the "old" controller on w1 mode due to "overheating" / protect mode. I'm really upset about this pump and althouth I do love the water motion it gives, I've never had so many issues with a pump before. (And the pump it's just five month old!!)

Has this happened to any of you? Have you heard of this "protect mode"?

Thanks!
PG

[zxknight]

quick question, would the Jecod CP-40 Cross Flow be enough for a 90 gal tank as the only pump?

[mcgyvr]

quick question, would the Jecod CP-40 Cross Flow be enough for a 90 gal tank as the only pump?
For a little while until it dies :spin3:

[Ron Reefman]

Well the replacement Crossflow I ordered was in the tank for all of a week. I ran it at less than half speed and in one direction only and it has died already.

I've never been a Jebao basher. I run Jebao wavemakers and Jebao return pumps. But I think I'll wait for gen 2 or gen 3 before I consider another one. BTW, the less sturdy feeling Maxspect I bought used and have had running for a couple of months before I got the Crossflows is still running like a champ. This may well be a case where spending more than twice as much for the other brand, is in fact, a good idea!

[biecacka]

Ron, I appreciate your honest opinion!!!

Corey

[zxknight]

For a little while until it dies :spin3:



So what's the expected life of the pump???


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[Ron Reefman]

So what's the expected life of the pump???


I've owned 3 Jebao Crossflows and 1 Maxspect Gyre.

The Crossflows ran for 3+ months, 2 months and less than a week. All 3 had the motors fail. If anybody needs spare parts other than motors, I've got some.:headwalls:
I'm serious, PM me and I'll ship them for a small fee!

The Maxspect feels frail compared to the Jebao, but I bought it used about 2 months before I got the first Jebao, about 6 months ago. And it's still runs just fine.:eek:

And this review is from a guy with a handful of Jebao wavemakers and 3 return pumps from Jebao that all work fine.:spin2:

I wouldn't take a Jebao Crossflow if you gave it to me for free. It isn't worth the time it takes to put in the tank. Maybe when Gen2 comes out?:strooper:

[antsh73]

Was having the same issue with my cp-40, cleaned it for the first time and keeps stopping and getting the red light. Had a real good look at the unit. Just noticed inside the impeller cage there are two raised bumps on both sides. These line up with two cut outs on the impeller itself. Just put If back together and seems to be working fine. Think this should be said on the instructions as I think this is what the issue was. Hope this helps somebody ����

[chercm]

any idea whether the Apex interface will be coming out to control the cp40?

[Ron Reefman]

Was having the same issue with my cp-40, cleaned it for the first time and keeps stopping and getting the red light. Had a real good look at the unit. Just noticed inside the impeller cage there are two raised bumps on both sides. These line up with two cut outs on the impeller itself. Just put If back together and seems to be working fine. Think this should be said on the instructions as I think this is what the issue was. Hope this helps somebody ����

All 3 of my failed Crossflows don't even run without the cages added on. But I hope you may have helped others.

[nycfishguy]

OK, RC friends, Guess what my cp 40 died yesterday. Red light came on. Only 3 months old, purchased off ebay from "lotuspond" in july. Contacted both them and jebao/jecod to see if any provisions are in place for dead products. No response as of yet.
SO i dissected it, lubed all joint with petroleium jelly and rebuilt care fully. It Sputters , stops, resets and then goes red light mode. When apart motors spin freely for the most part. Impellers spin with ease using a tooth pick through the cage once rebuilt. I dont think its a motor issue, like someone said motor needs to be energized by the controller. So I think the brain has gone bonkers.
Arrrggghhh..... anh advice. And yes its is surgically clean.

[nycfishguy]

Another question, Has anyone tried to connect the Cp-40 to a maxspect controller ?? Is it even possible ? MY Cp 40 has joined the red light club and before i back my car over it , im considering any possible options. I even considered using a DC 24 volt potentiometer and bypass the controller altogether.

Any DIY guys or gals out there try anything??

[BIGCYCS805]

Has anybody had any issues with the cp40 blowing microbubbles

[ericarenee]

one of mine did right before it started shocking me and then dying..

i would send it back if you still can

[Ron Reefman]

OK, call me a sucker, but I just can't see spending the big bucks for a Maxspect Gyre. Yes, I have one, but I got it used and for a steal of a deal.

So I bought another Crossflow (my 4th) from Fish Street since they warranty them.

Then I tried getting my money back for the one I bought on ebay with an $8 assurance policy. Surprise! They sent me a check for my $105 Crossflow.

This weekend at a local club meeting a friend who bought a Crossflow in the same group buy that I bought my first 2, told me his died and the seller got him a new wet side. So I called the seller and it turns out he got them through Reef Breeders before they quite selling them. And Reef Breeders is sending me 2 new motors! I just can't say enough about Reef Breeders customer service. You'd think they were selling stuff like Royal Exculsiv or Eco Tech!

Now I appreciate Reef Breeders standing up and doing the right thing. And the Assurance Plan doing the same, although it did require more than a few minutes on the phone as they don't seem very well prepared to handle claims yet... but the 2 people I dealt with were very nice and very professional... and both in the US! So now I'll end up with 3 functioning Crossflows. The new one from Fish Street and the 2 from Reef Breeders. I do intend to put them back into use and we'll see how they work. BTW, the new one from Fish Street is a 3rd generation unit. And I was shocked that from Hong Kong the shipping was dirt cheap (1 Crossflow and 2 RW8 pumps for under $5) and they arrived in under 5 days! I wonder if they now have a warehouse in the US, but the delivery was by DHL not UPS or FedEx which makes me think it came straight from Hong Kong.

The saga continues...

[ericarenee]

OK, call me a sucker, but I just can't see spending the big bucks for a Maxspect Gyre. Yes, I have one, but I got it used and for a steal of a deal.

So I bought another Crossflow (my 4th) from Fish Street since they warranty them.

Then I tried getting my money back for the one I bought on ebay with an $8 assurance policy. Surprise! They sent me a check for my $105 Crossflow.

This weekend at a local club meeting a friend who bought a Crossflow in the same group buy that I bought my first 2, told me his died and the seller got him a new wet side. So I called the seller and it turns out he got them through Reef Breeders before they quite selling them. And Reef Breeders is sending me 2 new motors! I just can't say enough about Reef Breeders customer service. You'd think they were selling stuff like Royal Exculsiv or Eco Tech!

Now I appreciate Reef Breeders standing up and doing the right thing. And the Assurance Plan doing the same, although it did require more than a few minutes on the phone as they don't seem very well prepared to handle claims yet... but the 2 people I dealt with were very nice and very professional... and both in the US! So now I'll end up with 3 functioning Crossflows. The new one from Fish Street and the 2 from Reef Breeders. I do intend to put them back into use and we'll see how they work. BTW, the new one from Fish Street is a 3rd generation unit. And I was shocked that from Hong Kong the shipping was dirt cheap (1 Crossflow and 2 RW8 pumps for under $5) and they arrived in under 5 days! I wonder if they now have a warehouse in the US, but the delivery was by DHL not UPS or FedEx which makes me think it came straight from Hong Kong.

The saga continues...

I read a lot of work frustration and hands in your tanks for something that is just going to fail again. In my opinion its not worth the frustration dealing with exchanges ... but im glad they came thru for you.. the question is will they next time around ??

[Spiffy]

I just bought one of the 1 year warranty ebay seller ones: http://www.ebay.com/itm/252430885468

Will see how it works out.

Bought from that seller for 2 reasons.

1) Longest warranty period
2) After contacting a few sellers about a warranty, that was the seller that communicated the best. (quick to respond, good english)

There was one seller that was located closer to me (consideration for quicker return times if needed) and they offered a 90 day warranty. However, their response was very broken english which concerns me with a purchase that may need a return/repair on.

Would also add, the seller I bought from said out of all he has sold he has had 6 returns. 3 of which worked fine when tested, 2 had a bad motor and the 6th had a broken shaft which they assume was likely user error.

Said the biggest thing he has seen is that they can be finicky with getting out of alignment. Often times users inadvertently pull the motor out of alignment by pulling the cable when installing.

Also said he had emailed Jebao about what fish street was advertising and Jebao told him they didn't know what fish street was talking about. Which is interesting.

Five bucks says that they are just refurbishing the parts, and sending them back out to people. Which would explain why they keep failing... :lol2:

Nothing says cheap like mis-aligning a motor by pulling on the cable... I find it strange that people keep dumping money into Jebao despite all the issues that everyone has been mentioning. The one thing that I have learned about this hobby is that you often get what you pay for. The Gyre is a cool idea that I have been becoming more and more temped to try, but I think I will stick to my Vortechs.

[nycfishguy]

Ron wanna sell one of your cp 40 ?s let me know.
I liked that to clean it , i could disconnect wire from controller and pop crossflow out of its bracket, but it decided to join the dead red light club.

Lastly im considering vortech 10 or smaller maxspect 230. To replace my dead crossflow.

Can anyone comment on the long term on either of these companies. I know about cost. And that vortech moves less water than the gyre, But my concern is longevity. Thanks

[Usernam Invalid]

What has changed from the 2nd to 3rd generation cp-40s

[ericarenee]

What has changed from the 2nd to 3rd generation cp-40s

They are probably assembled with recycled parts from returns :lolspin:

[kegogut]

Well this didnt take long for them to copy, i guess they will debut their version within a month. Is there anything they havent copied yet besides vortechs lol

eh? Their version has been out for a year or so now.

[Ron Reefman]

I read a lot of work frustration and hands in your tanks for something that is just going to fail again. In my opinion its not worth the frustration dealing with exchanges ... but im glad they came thru for you.. the question is will they next time around ??

Well, it's my work and my hands in my tanks, none of that is an issue for me. However, after reasonable success with Jebao wavemaker pumps and great success with Jebao return pumps, I'm willing to play the game with the Crossflows. It is mildly frustrating that Jebao can't/doesn't do enough beta testing to know these pumps are NOT up to any kind of quality standard.

I hear you; that for you it's not worth it. But for me it's a game. And I have the time I need and enough resources to spend, so I do it and report back my results here so others know what they are getting into if they buy one of these.

I seriously doubt that my new units will be much, if any, better than the originals. Will Jebao eventually come out with a real 2nd generation unit, I'd bet money on it. And I'd bet it will be a better unit and eventually they will have a perfectly acceptable unit and it will still cost less than half of what a Maxspect Gyre sells for.

[Ron Reefman]

Ron wanna sell one of your cp 40 ?s let me know.
I liked that to clean it , i could disconnect wire from controller and pop crossflow out of its bracket, but it decided to join the dead red light club.

Lastly im considering vortech 10 or smaller maxspect 230. To replace my dead crossflow.

Can anyone comment on the long term on either of these companies. I know about cost. And that vortech moves less water than the gyre, But my concern is longevity. Thanks

Are you kidding? They fail faster than I can buy them, why would I reduce my inventory of spares? And why would you pay for another one?

I have a Maxspect Gyre and I got it used. It has lots of replacement parts on it as it was an old original with lots of issues. But it runs fine and I've had it longer than 3 failed Crossflows.

As for the Vortech, well EcoTech is a good company, but the Vortech is only marginally better than a Jebao WaveMaker pump at this point IMHO. And the Jebao is what 1/3 or 1/4 the cost? Just because the Crossflow is a total failure at this point doesn't mean Jebao wavemaker or return pumps are bad. I have wavemakers and return pumps from Jebao that have been running strong for several years now. That's why I have been so willing to play along with Jebao's crappy Crossflow. But if money and frustration are issues for you (aren't they for most people?) then don't buy another Crossflow.

[ericarenee]

Well, it's my work and my hands in my tanks, none of that is an issue for me. However, after reasonable success with Jebao wavemaker pumps and great success with Jebao return pumps, I'm willing to play the game with the Crossflows. It is mildly frustrating that Jebao can't/doesn't do enough beta testing to know these pumps are NOT up to any kind of quality standard.

I hear you; that for you it's not worth it. But for me it's a game. And I have the time I need and enough resources to spend, so I do it and report back my results here so others know what they are getting into if they buy one of these.

I seriously doubt that my new units will be much, if any, better than the originals. Will Jebao eventually come out with a real 2nd generation unit, I'd bet money on it. And I'd bet it will be a better unit and eventually they will have a perfectly acceptable unit and it will still cost less than half of what a Maxspect Gyre sells for.


I totally understand..I Did really enjoy the 3 that i bought . I will replace them when they come up with a updated version I think..
I am in the process of moving my refugium into our living room under the display tank. its a 90 gallon tank instead of the 55 gallon container split .

I am going to move my sump right under the same area in the basement so i can loose about 14 feet of distance on the return . this will allow me to get a much smaller pump. I am going with a dcp .. i know the reeflo pump is tearing my electric bill up.. not to mention the 4 500w heaters because its cooler in my basement...

i was only teasing about them sending you used parts by the way...

[ali1]

Jebao pumps like most of its products are not designed for long-term use. The pattern we're seeing amongst this hobby is jebao pumps and powerheads lasting 6-24months before motor dies. Warranty sucks too. No customer service.

Take it from a guy that went all jebao for his 300g build and half the products sitting on the shelf now with the vortecs back in. Even my cheap $15 koralias have more runtime than these guys.

Another chinese company taking advantage of the americans

[jason2459]

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[Ron Reefman]

I totally understand..I Did really enjoy the 3 that i bought . I will replace them when they come up with a updated version I think..
I am in the process of moving my refugium into our living room under the display tank. its a 90 gallon tank instead of the 55 gallon container split .

i was only teasing about them sending you used parts by the way...

I know.

And here is a side note. I got the Crossflows from a friend in our local club and I thought he was getting them from Jebao. Turns out he got them from Reef Breeders during the short time they were selling them. I texted my friend and he sent a request to Reef Breeders and in less than 5 days from my text, I got new wet sides for my Crossflows! That's good customer service from Reef Breeders!

[Ron Reefman]

Jebao pumps like most of its products are not designed for long-term use. The pattern we're seeing amongst this hobby is jebao pumps and powerheads lasting 6-24 months before motor dies. Warranty sucks too. No customer service.

Take it from a guy that went all jebao for his 300g build and half the products sitting on the shelf now with the vortecs back in. Even my cheap $15 koralias have more runtime than these guys.

Another chinese company taking advantage of the americans

Nice that you can speak on behalf of the those "amongst this hobby".

I still have Jebao original WP40 wavemakers, and I have newer ones as well. The old ones were lame, the new ones are much better. I have 3 original DC12000 and 1 original DC6000 return pumps and have not had a single failure!

I'll agree they are not a user friendly company and they build to the minimum level of acceptable use, but they still sell don't they? Because they aren't charging double or triple the price for a unit that is only marginally better so a few US companies can make big profits. Soap box mode off.

[nycfishguy]

ok, just an update. Original cp 40 died with red light of death. Was 3 months old . Contacted ebay seller i bought it from and he offered me a new motor for $15 bucks. I was gonna walk away from it until i said to myself im already in some money lets try it. So i received to my surprise the entire new pump portion including motor rotors, cages and bracket. Minus magnets and electonics controls. After a quick swap of old magnets i decided to test it. It has been running in a slop sink for 5 days.

Here is the trouble, unlike my cp25 which i purchased from a different ebay seller. This one has a power wire that looks like it backwards, in other words it goes to the bottom of the unit and is not pretty when you a trying to disguise it.
And for some reason it spins faster and moves more water in reverse than forward setting. That can't be correct. SO i slowly dissected it and attemped to reverse the cages and rotor assembly as a unit. one side for some unknown reason would not go on like the other and slowly want to come of with movement. So i default to original setup and ran it for 1 solid day. All worked well. Last night i thought i should flip the rotors around and keep the cages to their original position. Well didnt work. Rotors got stuck and spurred red light. After a careful process of dismantling and reconnecting, science led to frustration. I somehow have have the wire comming out of the top and strong pulses of water comming out of the bottom ?? of the rotor when viewed from the top. Anyway still doing sink testing, if all goes well it will go into the tank.
The new motor does have different rubber bushings on it where it attaches to the rotors and they are rectangular in shape. As compared to the older ones.
Let see, i will post progress. Anyone thinking of buying < wait until i post a few weeks of results with the new 2017 motor as they call it. Hope this helps.

[Ron Reefman]

I got the same set of parts, the entire wet side less the magnet. Mine are both running OK, but if you don't get the cages and impellers just right they jam up the motor. It just doesn't have enough torque. I can play with them and make them run, but it's just not anything I would recommend to anybody.

I had a guy asking to buy one and I considered it, and then decided not to go through with it. It wouldn't be fair to sell something I know is really junk, even if I've told the buyer it's junk. Besides, if they fail again... HA, when they fail again, the magnets will make for seriously solid diy frag rack mounts or a magnet mount for a bigger coral to be held to the glass of the tank like a super magnetic frag plug!:eek1:

[brad65ford]

LOL came hear to read about the cross fit since i own the maxspect gyre which hasn't stop even though i don't use it any more. Don't like having only one of these units on a larger tank with a lot of rock. Planned on going with the crossfit but not any more. I've had other jebaco motors crap out and shock me and my fish. When will us consumers release we should support quality company's that don't try to copy and sell sub par products. Well i guess with the internet everyone trys to save and shop to be one over on the originals and better quality company's. Have multiple failures in this thread (which there are a ton) would / should make anyone not support this type of copy cat.

https://************.com/2015/12/17/jecod-cross-flow-wave-pumpjebao-gyre-pump-knock-off-surfaces-as-jecod-cross-flow-wave-pump/

[Ron Reefman]

LOL came hear to read about the cross fit since i own the maxspect gyre which hasn't stop even though i don't use it any more. Don't like having only one of these units on a larger tank with a lot of rock. Planned on going with the crossfit but not any more. I've had other jebaco motors crap out and shock me and my fish. When will us consumers release we should support quality company's that don't try to copy and sell sub par products. Well i guess with the internet everyone trys to save and shop to be one over on the originals and better quality company's. Have multiple failures in this thread (which there are a ton) would / should make anyone not support this type of copy cat.

True to a point. But I have Jebao wavemakers and Jebao return pumps that have been just fine. That's why I gave the Crossflow a shot. I'm in SW Florida too, if you want to see mine, the new ones are still working after 4 to 6 weeks!

[Ou8me2]

I'm all for trying to save money but it's pretty clear these are more hassle than what they are worth. I own some Jebao return pumps and wavemakers and all work great. I just don't see me buying one of these. If I have to keep buying new ones or constantly asking someone to send repair parts then there is no real savings to me honestly.

I can just spend the money a buy a maxspect gyre and be done with it. Yes, the intial cost is more expensive. I think the fact that ReefBreeders stopped selling them should tell you something right there.

[brad65ford]

I'm all for trying to save money but it's pretty clear these are more hassle than what they are worth. I own some Jebao return pumps and wavemakers and all work great. I just don't see me buying one of these. If I have to keep buying new ones or constantly asking someone to send repair parts then there is no real savings to me honestly.

I can just spend the money a buy a maxspect gyre and be done with it. Yes, the intial cost is more expensive. I think the fact that ReefBreeders stopped selling them should tell you something right there.

That's exactly what i was saying too. Totally give maxspect the credit they deserve for all the r&d since mine's been flawless and i got mine as soon as they came out which is a while ago.

Regarding reefbeeders , agree when Jebao irons out the bugs the will restock them. Not sure about copy right infringements since Maxspect seem pretty ****ed, believe it took a while for them to release it since they worked on their patents etc so this wouldn't happen. Chinese coping Chinese well they all all made there anyway, that's a tuff one.

What is more interesting is Ecotech Vortech MP pumps have never been copied (don't really like the noise they make anyway). Wondering why aren't copied what do they have they the Chinese can't copy them?

[xCry0x]

Don't want to necro/bump the thread but wanted to update.

Bought my cp-40 8/30 and today (2/8) it seems to have died.

Not sure if its the controller or the wet side -- both are question marks for me.

If I plug the power into the controller it sparks (!!) then turns on -- but nothing spins.

Disassembled the wet site, can manually spin the thing and it sometimes does a few rotations on its own then locks up and red warning light pops on.

Contacted seller today; will see how the 1 year warranty works out =)

[Ron Reefman]

I had several early Crossflows and they all died of motor failure. They were all free to spin manually, but they did nothing when powered up. I had 2 different sellers and they both did replacements of the wet side. All 3 have been running OK for a couple of months now. IMHO the motor is just way too low on torque, but I think the newer ones are better than the original version. It's very typical of Jebao new products.

[Rybren]

My CP-40 died after 6 months of use. I could sometimes get it to run by manually turning the motor shaft, but more often than not I'd just get the red light.

I contacted the seller and he offered me three choices:

1. Return the pump at his expense and he'd give me a full refund.
2. Keep the broken one and he'd send me a factory refurbished one.
3. Try a new pump that he just started to carry; it is similar to the Jebao prop pumps but isn't made by Jebao.

I chose option 3.

The pump I got is a Hsbao EW-38. It is similar is size to the Jebao RW-20; pumps 13,000 L/h / 3400 G/h; has an LCD display; and can be synced wirelessly to up to 8 other pumps. I've just been goofing around with it so far, but it seems pretty good.

Sorry to derail the thread, but here's a crpy video of the pump in action. The tank is 2 x 2 with about 7-8" of water in it.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/m074jy8YmY8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

http://i.imgur.com/KatIDZb.jpg


Has anyone managed to get the CP-40 working again?

Maxspec has licenced a manufacturer to produce knock-offs of their Gyres. They hit the market here in Canada about 2 weeks ago and sell for $199 Cdn. I guess that they are trying to outcompete Jebao.

[2dawghouse]

After several first generation motors died on me I got the new gen3 motor installed and pumping. Couple of differences is the new generation motors have a different coupling to the rotors, the rotors seem to be more sturdy as well. But it doesn't pump nearly as much water as the old motors did. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong?

Anyone else notice this with the new gen motors?

[shiftline]

So my cp40 still worked but some times would. It restart in w1 mode. All other modes worked fine. Seller kindly sent me a new motor. So far so good

The new one (G3) seems to have more broad rather then direct flow. (Doesn't feel as strong with my hand right in front). Other wise seems the same so far.


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[xCry0x]

Glad to see more feedback.

I sent my pump in on Saturday and had a replacement Thursday so happy with the quick turn around from the ebay seller.

I had been running it in the forward/backward flow mode and I wonder if that causes excess wear on the motor due to having to switch directions like that?

Anyway; new one in and working fine like the old one did originally. I do have to say, when I took apart the old one I was really surprised to see that the motor shaft was plastic. Seems like a design prone to breaking.

Is there any way to tell what generation the motor is?

[d0ughb0y]

are you sure it's plastic and not ceramic?

[selje]

I've had the Maxspect Gyre XF150 since it was released and have had no problems with it until now. The power cord near the motor have started to burst and I now wonder what pump to replace it with.

Is the CP40 they sell on fish-street (http://www.fish-street.com/jebao_wifi_cross_flow_pump_cp-40) the same crap as a lot of you guys have had issues with or is the problems fixed?

What do you recommend? Jebao CP40 with the Aqualink T1 controller or the Maxspect Riptide Gyre XF-250?

[Ron Reefman]

I had a LOT of issues with the early CrossFlow pumps (3 failures). However, I have gotten replacements for them all and they have all been running just as good as my Gyre has. No issues.

They all have motors that are quite low torque and therefore do tend to get stopped when algae builds up in the cages or even if the cages are installed wrong and create pressure on the motor to run properly.

[chris@CoralVue]

I've had the Maxspect Gyre XF150 since it was released and have had no problems with it until now. The power cord near the motor have started to burst and I now wonder what pump to replace it with.

Is the CP40 they sell on fish-street (http://www.fish-street.com/jebao_wifi_cross_flow_pump_cp-40) the same crap as a lot of you guys have had issues with or is the problems fixed?

What do you recommend? Jebao CP40 with the Aqualink T1 controller or the Maxspect Riptide Gyre XF-250?

You can replace the motor block on your Maxspect Gyre. Please submit a service ticket at www.coralvue.com/support and a customer support agent will help you.

Chris

[Sense of nature]

Results seem to vary too much still
Are the Gen2 any better?

[iced98lx]

My gen1 is still going with very little upkeep. It has gotten louder as time went on. I've relegated it to moving water in my fresh saltwater tank for mixing purposes. It handles that task very well.

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[Ron Reefman]

My Gen 2's have been running just fine. I still need to be a bit more careful than I'd like when I put it back together after cleaning it. Get the ends out of alignment or too tight and it won't run. Low torque. Other than that, I'm OK with mine.

BTW, I have a Maxspect Gyre as well, and it has the exact same issues.

[aronj2]

i have 2 cp40 version 3..
the 1 fish street started to ship june last year.
for me.. they are more reliable than 1st gen maxpec (wich took 3 motor units to get it working properly)

not 1 failure..

the only annoying thing is.. they are automstically go back to H constant mode.. every 15 minutes or so

[Legot]

Where do you guys buy these that gives a clear "generation." I've seen them on a few sites, but I can't be sure if I'd be buying an older version vs the current version.

[Sense of nature]

Made the plunge, bought a Cp40.
It will be replacing a Wp 60 Hopefully it's enough power.
I was too leary bout buying the CP50 , too new IMO

[Ron Reefman]

Made the plunge, bought a Cp40.
It will be replacing a Wp 60 Hopefully it's enough power.
I was too leary bout buying the CP50 , too new IMO

I only knew it was a later version because the seller, who I trust, and who doesn't sell these anymore, told me they were a different generation.

[d-man]

Interested in the cp55. Anyone have experience with them?

[shiftline]

So my cp40 randomly quits tuning on in w1 mode. Works fine in all other modes. Grrr. Replaced the pump. Same issue. May be time to try swapping the do controller


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[robgonsailing]

Interested in the cp55. Anyone have experience with them?

I have been happy with my CP-40 and got a CP-55 hoping for a wider stream. I used it for a few weeks but it was noisier than the CP-40 it was replacing so I stuck with the CP-40. I only run it at the 4th setting so if I need more flow I can just turn it up.

The CP-55 definitely pushes more water. I may try again and see if it quiets down more. I know the CP-40 took a little while to settle in. I liked the redesigned cages too.

[d-man]

Yeah I need the more water no question. My tank is 12' long and 860g so need way more than the cp40 can provide. My only concern really is how well the magnet can hold. My tank is 3/4" plywood then another probably 1/8-1/4" of epoxy and rubber sealent. I know it states up to 3/4" thickness but so does the gyre 250 and the 2 I have hold no problem

[Legot]

Does anyone know the widths of the Cp25, Cp40, and Cp55?

[robgonsailing]

Does anyone know the widths of the Cp25, Cp40, and Cp55?

Approximately 10.5, 11.6 and 13 inches.

[robgonsailing]

Yeah I need the more water no question. My tank is 12' long and 860g so need way more than the cp40 can provide. My only concern really is how well the magnet can hold. My tank is 3/4" plywood then another probably 1/8-1/4" of epoxy and rubber sealent. I know it states up to 3/4" thickness but so does the gyre 250 and the 2 I have hold no problem

Mine was secure on 15mm glass and could probably go a bit thicker. A full inch might be pushing the limits though if I had to guess.

[Ron Reefman]

Reef Breeders has the 25's and 40's (new generation) back in their product line and in stock. They took good care of me when I had an issue with the first gen even after they dropped the product line (crossflows). But they don't state the warranty.

[SinSilla]

Sorry for being too lazy to read the whole 58 pages. Ibrexently purchased and installed a CP-25 from fish-street and have some issues with it.

This thing is quite noisy, especially in vertical orientation. I know that this is not right because my father in law has the same Pump and bis is much more quiet.

Mine currently makes rattling noises and or a humming sound. Its better when i Put it in horizontal, but id like to have it vertical in my Cube Tank.

Is there anything i can do to fix this myself? I read something about misaligned Motor? Since my Tank is currently empty there can't be something inside the cages.

I would really appreciate any help. Thanks in advance!

[Ron Reefman]

Are you running the pump dry when you find it noisy?

I'd learn how to take it apart and put it back together as you are going to need to do this for cleaning anyway. I find that when I put mine back together there is a lot of room for creating issues like the motor binding, cages that rattle, misalignment...

They aren't the best made pieces of equipment, but then I have a Maxspect Gyre and it isn't any better!

[wcharon]

Ron I am trying to decide which one I should get for my 125 SPS but have been mixed readings between these 2.

Based on your experience with both which one you can recommend me?

Thanks in advance...


Are you running the pump dry when you find it noisy?

I'd learn how to take it apart and put it back together as you are going to need to do this for cleaning anyway. I find that when I put mine back together there is a lot of room for creating issues like the motor binding, cages that rattle, misalignment...

They aren't the best made pieces of equipment, but then I have a Maxspect Gyre and it isn't any better!

[SinSilla]

No, Not running dry. I just noticed that when i put pressure on the Pump where the Motor is the rattling is gone. Now its just humming. Had taken it apart 2 Times already. Maybe I'll try it again. Each time it sounds different though, so they are indeed very finicky.

Are you running the pump dry when you find it noisy?

I'd learn how to take it apart and put it back together as you are going to need to do this for cleaning anyway. I find that when I put mine back together there is a lot of room for creating issues like the motor binding, cages that rattle, misalignment...

They aren't the best made pieces of equipment, but then I have a Maxspect Gyre and it isn't any better!

[mgreenough]

I've had the Maxspect Gyre XF150 since it was released and have had no problems with it until now. The power cord near the motor have started to burst and I now wonder what pump to replace it with.

Is the CP40 they sell on fish-street (http://www.fish-street.com/jebao_wifi_cross_flow_pump_cp-40) the same crap as a lot of you guys have had issues with or is the problems fixed?

What do you recommend? Jebao CP40 with the Aqualink T1 controller or the Maxspect Riptide Gyre XF-250?
Go for the XF250 you wont regret it. My last CP40 was making loud noises, so i took it apart to clean. Big mistake as the y are a nightmare to put back together. The pump started to stutter and jump, and died in the middle of the night. So i ended up buying the Maxspect. The old adage of "buy it cheap, buy it twice" certainly was true for me.

Photo showing both, the XF250 is much more powerful than the CP40.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170504/68f011c70145a4af2b8be6b06412c8b2.jpg

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[JonezNReef]

I know to many people who haven't had luck with these and I was afraid of wasting money on the crossflow so I spent a couple more dollars on a IceCap gyre and love it so far.

[d-man]

I bought the cp55. Waiting on delivery now.
I'll have that on one side of my tank and 2 xf250 gyres on the other side. Along with the other jebaos (2 rw20s, 4 wp60s) and my 2 fluval sp6 returns should have some pretty good random flow going on

[kass03]

My cp-40 is 6 months old and started making loud noise. I took it apart and 1 of the white silicone/rubber rectangle things was broken.
Did anyone find a place to get parts for these?

I bought a new one because I couldn't stand the noise and hooked it up to my old ones controller and it's doing strange things. It only has about half the flow of my older one and it doesn't flow in a steady stream across the tank it flows 1 stream up to the top and 1 stream down to the bottom. Has anyone had this happen? I'm waiting on a reply from seller.

I also tried to take my old one apart to clean it and can't figure out how you get that cap with the holes in it out without breaking it? I tried a screwdriver and a tweezer and gave up.

I did put the silicone piece from the new one onto my old one and it works great again but I don't want to pay $95 for a silicone piece lol.

Thanks
kass

[mgreenough]

My cp-40 is 6 months old and started making loud noise. I took it apart and 1 of the white silicone/rubber rectangle things was broken.
Did anyone find a place to get parts for these?

I bought a new one because I couldn't stand the noise and hooked it up to my old ones controller and it's doing strange things. It only has about half the flow of my older one and it doesn't flow in a steady stream across the tank it flows 1 stream up to the top and 1 stream down to the bottom. Has anyone had this happen? I'm waiting on a reply from seller.

I also tried to take my old one apart to clean it and can't figure out how you get that cap with the holes in it out without breaking it? I tried a screwdriver and a tweezer and gave up.

I did put the silicone piece from the new one onto my old one and it works great again but I don't want to pay $95 for a silicone piece lol.

Thanks
kass
The cap with the holes has a very small notch on the side that you need to line up inside the body. I had two cp40's and both seized up after dismantling to clean and reassembling, as they never go back together properly. I ended up buying the real maxspect gyres (xf250) and have never looked back.

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[Superpuma]

I have Maxspect gyres, to clean those l soak the whole pump in vinegar for a few hours and then blast under the tap, no dismantling and trying to put back together, no issues. Would this not work with the crossflows?

[Ron Reefman]

Ron I am trying to decide which one I should get for my 125 SPS but have been mixed readings between these 2.

Based on your experience with both which one you can recommend me?

Thanks in advance...

Sorry, I don't check this thread all that often anymore.

Either one works. Since I got even the 2nd or 3rd 'unofficial' generation of Crossflow from Jebao (or Jecao... or whatever) they have run 100% as well as the Maxspect.


I have Maxspect gyres, to clean those l soak the whole pump in vinegar for a few hours and then blast under the tap, no dismantling and trying to put back together, no issues. Would this not work with the crossflows?

I'd say yes, but in time teh vinegar may start to have an affect on the soft parts (silicone and/or rubber) in either brand. Personally I take mine apart, wash them in the sink and put them back together. I don't see the problem.

[Reefer40b]

Seriously considering a CP-55 for my 155, has anyone had some experience with these I'm really only seeing a lot of posts about the CP-40?

[shiftline]

I bought replacement parts from fish street


I didn't even know there was a cp-55! I have had the cp40 for a while now


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[d-man]

I have a cp 55. Pushes good water for sure

[tastyfish]

So my original cross flows had a failure, 1.5 years out of warranty. I asked the supplier for spares and they said no, we will send you new pumps.

I have 2 new 3rd generation CP40's now. :). Brilliant service.

You have to keep them clean, the same as the maxspects - there's just more to both pumps than a propellor.

By the way, if you have clicks coming from your cross flow, strip it down and put it back together again, ensuring that you don't over compress everything and that is all spins freely. In transit they get knocked about and I'm sure it pushes things together too much.

[kass03]

How did you ask the supplier? I've emailed Jebao 3 times from their website and never got a reply.

and thanks mgreenough

kass

[tastyfish]

How did you ask the supplier? I've emailed Jebao 3 times from their website and never got a reply.

and thanks mgreenough

kass

I emailed Eric @ Fish Street. Always comes back quickly in my experience and has been great. In contrast, whenever I email a UK supplier, I get nothing back. :(

[leslie hempel]

any updates on the performance and reliability of these pumps.. the Jebao cp25 and 40 have finally hit south africa..

any real benefit to maxpect over jebao.

[Ron Reefman]

I have both. The wet sides are extremely similar and a bit temperamental when cleaning and reassembling.

The controllers are quite different and they each have advantages and disadvantages in my opinion.

Flip a coin.

[tastyfish]

I can vouch for the CP-40. I've not used the maxspects personally, but issues are well known, but sound like they have been mostly fixed.

Performance seems compatible from those who have owned both that I spoke to.

Personally I flipped a coin and decided to pay a lot less money and have not been disappointed. I'm about to order the AQ link so I can finally control both pumps from my Apex which was the missing piece for me.

[d0ughb0y]

I've used my cp-40 for a year now and it works just fine. I've taken it apart for cleaning twice.

However, I will be going back to conventional power head (sw-4 or sw-8) when I set up my new tank. I personally think this is mostly a novelty.

[leslie hempel]

thanks for the feedback guys,

any idea what tank sizes these pumps are best suited to?

cp25
cp40
cp55

?

[tastyfish]

thanks for the feedback guys,

any idea what tank sizes these pumps are best suited to?

cp25
cp40
cp55

?

Not sure on the CP-55, but I use the CP-40's on a 4x2x2 tank and they never go above 30% power giving awesome flow. So you could get away with using the CP-25 on a higher setting. They are only 1cm smaller though, so you're not making a big saving on space

I would strongly advise having two pumps at opposite ends.

Here's the flow at 2 or 3 lights power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQ1dbxigbE

[Reeferz412]

I have had both my CP40s for over a year now. I have replaced one unit twice and the other once. They are difficult to clean and troubleshoot. They also progressively get noisier. As mentioned above they are more of a novelty and I have since switched to SW-15, SW-20 and an old RW8. A few pages back here i was supporting the CP40s but after repairing countless units and replacing the motors, it really isnt worth the headache lol.

[wcharon]

I have had both my CP40s for over a year now. I have replaced one unit twice and the other once. They are difficult to clean and troubleshoot. They also progressively get noisier. As mentioned above they are more of a novelty and I have since switched to SW-15, SW-20 and an old RW8. A few pages back here i was supporting the CP40s but after repairing countless units and replacing the motors, it really isnt worth the headache lol.

Hummmmmm. I was going to give it a try but after reading this got me thinking. I use 2 RW-15 on my 125 tank and they have been running great for 2 years but yesterday 1 motor shutoff. I already places the order to replace it but will like to try the crossflow.

Did you ever used the Maxpect Gryre? Any thoughts?

[JTL]

Hummmmmm. I was going to give it a try but after reading this got me thinking. I use 2 RW-15 on my 125 tank and they have been running great for 2 years but yesterday 1 motor shutoff. I already places the order to replace it but will like to try the crossflow.

Did you ever used the Maxpect Gryre? Any thoughts?

How about an Ice Cap 3K, it may be an upgrade from the Jebao, but maybe not. Sure don't hear much about them.

[wcharon]

How about an Ice Cap 3K, it may be an upgrade from the Jebao, but maybe not. Sure don't here much about them.

Ok. Thanks... I will give that a look.

[d0ughb0y]

I have had both my CP40s for over a year now. I have replaced one unit twice and the other once. They are difficult to clean and troubleshoot. They also progressively get noisier. As mentioned above they are more of a novelty and I have since switched to SW-15, SW-20 and an old RW8. A few pages back here i was supporting the CP40s but after repairing countless units and replacing the motors, it really isnt worth the headache lol.

I have been putting off cleaning my cp40, and today it started making a lot of noise. I took it apart, and everything looks ok. put it back together, and it seems to run really slow. So I cleaned it with vinegar and assembled, still slow. So I took it apart, and just ran the motor by itself, and it does look slow. so I let it run in vinegar solution for a few minutes and a lot of crud came out. I don't think there is a way to completely disassemble the motor shaft, so maybe this is the best way to clean it. If the motor does not spin at all, you can try pushing it back and forth (there is some play so you can push the left side of the motor spindle, then the right, etc.).

anyway, I put it back together and it spins really fast again.

I imagine some of the units deemed broken may just need the motor cleaned.

[tastyfish]

I have been putting off cleaning my cp40, and today it started making a lot of noise. I took it apart, and everything looks ok. put it back together, and it seems to run really slow. So I cleaned it with vinegar and assembled, still slow. So I took it apart, and just ran the motor by itself, and it does look slow. so I let it run in vinegar solution for a few minutes and a lot of crud came out. I don't think there is a way to completely disassemble the motor shaft, so maybe this is the best way to clean it. If the motor does not spin at all, you can try pushing it back and forth (there is some play so you can push the left side of the motor spindle, then the right, etc.).

anyway, I put it back together and it spins really fast again.

I imagine some of the units deemed broken may just need the motor cleaned.


It's exactly that and when assembled, you need to ensure everything is free moving. If I have an issue, i disassemble, put it back together and test the motor on it's own, then with one side attached, then the other.

The issue is that the bulkheads can be pushed too far in, which tightens on the rotor. The newer design is a little more prone to this over-compressing because the couplings are made of solid rubber, rather than the white hollow vibration absorbing design which used to be used.

There's a few people making gyres on license also, but personally I'm still very glad I didn't have all the issues which I saw with the Maxspects having spent a huge amount of money on them.

With regards to flow, I went back to my RW's whilst I waited for the parts to arrive and I missed the flow from the Cross Flows. Don't get me wrong, the tank will be fine with RW's, but the flow from the crossflows is completely different and I wouldn't be without this type of flow now.

[d0ughb0y]

is this a first or second generation ?
I'm pretty sure mine is first generation, but it does not look like the picture below. the rotor side is just an oval plastic with a rubber cover.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/robhale77/New%20Tank/165F30A6-4F48-4B4C-8957-1B9394D695EA_zpscortjvtu.jpg

[tastyfish]

Yeah, the one in the picture is the original one. (that's actually one of the photos I took of the strip down/rebuild)

The black blocks are the newer linkages. So probably second or third generation

[d0ughb0y]

This is how mine looks. So I guess this is second generation and the black block you refer to is third generation. Or is it the same, except black color?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170627/58bc83c28848d3ca07662f636431db47.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170627/f31db3038cc7a3a11678d2d557ad72cf.jpg

[tastyfish]

Yeah, the new units I received have a thin black rubber boot over the white block in your image

[tastyfish]

I just bought the AQLink A1 boxes to link with my Apex.

Is anyone else running these and willing to share a little setup/programming examples please?

[CrazyFezzik]

I bought a new one because I couldn't stand the noise and hooked it up to my old ones controller and it's doing strange things. It only has about half the flow of my older one and it doesn't flow in a steady stream across the tank it flows 1 stream up to the top and 1 stream down to the bottom. Has anyone had this happen? I'm waiting on a reply from seller.



Did you ever figure out how to fix the split stream issue?

[d0ughb0y]

I just bought the AQLink A1 boxes to link with my Apex.

Is anyone else running these and willing to share a little setup/programming examples please?

can you run different wave modes using Apex+A1? or just simple ramp up and down? It may be designed more for use with DCS/DCT pumps.

[z3speed4me]

Is there a way to tell from the box if your item is gen 2 or 3? I just got one from an Amazon seller and I assume it is "new" but is there a way to actually tell!?

It DOES have the English wording on the pump and not the Chinese like I have seen many of the problematic ones have...

[tastyfish]

can you run different wave modes using Apex+A1? or just simple ramp up and down? It may be designed more for use with DCS/DCT pumps.

I can run any program I like with them, forward and reverse, pulse, ramp, etc etc. Anything that you can program and schedule with an Apex really. The sound of the pump is also slightly different, due to the different driver.

I've just had a split cable made up by a fellow reefer, so will be able to control both pumps from a single physical RJ45 VarSpd port.

The only downside to having the Apex control them is that in the event of an Apex falling over, it can't put a VarSpd port into fallback mode, so I lose the pumps.

Is there a way to tell from the box if your item is gen 2 or 3? I just got one from an Amazon seller and I assume it is "new" but is there a way to actually tell!?

It DOES have the English wording on the pump and not the Chinese like I have seen many of the problematic ones have...

Not sure, I'd be surprised if there are any still about but it might be worth asking the seller when they bought it from Fish Street/Jebao

[d0ughb0y]

I can run any program I like with them, forward and reverse, pulse, ramp, etc etc. Anything that you can program and schedule with an Apex really. The sound of the pump is also slightly different, due to the different driver.

I've just had a split cable made up by a fellow reefer, so will be able to control both pumps from a single physical RJ45 VarSpd port.

The only downside to having the Apex control them is that in the event of an Apex falling over, it can't put a VarSpd port into fallback mode, so I lose the pumps.



Not sure, I'd be surprised if there are any still about but it might be worth asking the seller when they bought it from Fish Street/Jebao

not clear with your response.
is the program (pulse, wave, etc) on the A1 or on Apex profile? if on apex, can apex do random? like the jebao ELSE mode? I think apex only knows ramp up and down, but I may be mistaken.

[tastyfish]

not clear with your response.
is the program (pulse, wave, etc) on the A1 or on Apex profile? if on apex, can apex do random? like the jebao ELSE mode? I think apex only knows ramp up and down, but I may be mistaken.

All program are on the Apex. It controls via two channels on the A1. One is speed, the other direction.

So you can have pretty much anything you want going on, pulse, ramp up, ramp down, oscillate and even constant wave (i.e. Going from 30% to 60% on each pulse).

You can also vary the length of the peaks and troughs, so have a longer or shorter wave peak or a longer pause.

[d0ughb0y]

All program are on the Apex. It controls via two channels on the A1. One is speed, the other direction.

So you can have pretty much anything you want going on, pulse, ramp up, ramp down, oscillate and even constant wave (i.e. Going from 30% to 60% on each pulse).

You can also vary the length of the peaks and troughs, so have a longer or shorter wave peak or a longer pause.

ok, thanks for the clarification.

so I can select say vortech reefcrest profile for a varspd port right?
or vortech profiles only work on wxm?

--
I did a google search, and it appears vortech profiles only work on wxm, not on varspd ports. so apex cannot do random values on varspd port.
that would have been cool though if it worked. The new jebao SW pump controller has input that can be connected to varspd port.
I need something equivalent to ELSE mode on jebao.

[tastyfish]

ok, thanks for the clarification.

so I can select say vortech reefcrest profile for a varspd port right?
or vortech profiles only work on wxm?

--
I did a google search, and it appears vortech profiles only work on wxm, not on varspd ports. so apex cannot do random values on varspd port.
that would have been cool though if it worked. The new jebao SW pump controller has input that can be connected to varspd port.
I need something equivalent to ELSE mode on jebao.

You can select any profile, you just need to call it from the virtual outlet programming. I just tried the Reef Crest program and woudn't run the pump, presumably as it starts at 1% power. You need about 20% before the Cross Flow spins up.

You can use the OSC command in Apex to slowly ramp them up and down in turn (I think this is ReefCrest in Vortech world?) I found the following thread on the Apex support forum where RussM gave some good examples:

https://forum.neptunesystems.com/showthread.php?11886-Icecap-Gyre-Interface-Module&highlight=sync

I would probably start a thread with exactly what you want to produce and I'm sure some Apex programming guru's will be able to help pretty easily.

[phishfoodie]

Here is a quick review and impressions of the CP-120, the newer 2018 model of the cp-40. I’ve been running it for about 2 weeks. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://youtu.be/Ll4ptUYHWD0

[Diana A]

Here is a quick review and impressions of the CP-120, the newer 2018 model of the cp-40. I’ve been running it for about 2 weeks. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://youtu.be/Ll4ptUYHWD0

How is the noise when in pulse mode? Can you hear it in steady mode? Now that you have used it for a few months, what is your thoughts on it? Thanks!

[chris@CoralVue]

Where did you purchase this?

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[Diana A]

Where did you purchase this?

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You can get them off of ebay. The new models are the SCP

[wratha]

Im considering one for my reefer 250. Should i get the cp-90 or the cp-120? Im not going to get the wifi controller, so im concerned if the cp-120 will be too powerful.